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BloodyElbow.com Exclusive: Audio of Lloyd Irvin Chilling 911 Call

In the wake of reporting that Lloyd Irvin, his family, Brandon Vera and others were robbed at gun point in Irvin's home on October 4th, the story was doubted publicly and privately by random forum posters, readers of this site and even members of new and traditional media. In an effort to combat the notion that either this site or Irvin himself fabricated a story - a story that's already been corroborated - Lloyd Irvin has decided to release the audio of the 911 call from the night of the incident as incontrovertible truth the incident occurred.

I encourage every to listen to the absolutely frightening call (linked again at the end of this post). It adds a color and dimension to the story that no verbal description can provide. To think that Irvin, his family and Vera were subjected to this sort of trauma followed by cruel mockery is literally insult to injury.

Exclusive to Bloody Elbow is now Lloyd Irvin in his own words explaining why he's releasing the audio of the 911 call and why it's important for you to help him. I encourage everyone to do so.

From Lloyd Irvin:

I've been personally attacked, my family has been attacked, my character has been attacked, my credibility has been attacked and I'm not talking about the two gunmen that broke into my house and took my family, Brandon Vera and my friend hostage on October 4, 2008 at 4:30am.

I'm talking about by members of my own martial arts community and by a particular writer from deadspin.com named Rick Chandler, whom I've never met, but when I first read his post about me, I was so angry that I sure wished he was in front of me at that very moment.

My friend Luke Thomas' (Editor-in-Chief of Bloody Elbow) credibility was attacked, people thinking that he could be behind some 'mad plot' to increase my schools student base by faking a home invasion at my house and risking the credibility of his site and himself.

I'm always getting attacked by someone, it's just a part of my success that I'm happy to deal with, except for this Rick Chandler guy. 

My favorite quote is from the movie American Gangster

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Your success took a shot at you... What are you going to do now?

 How are you gonna kill it?

You're gonna become unsuccessful?

 ...you can be successful and have enemies; be unsuccessful too, and even have friends.

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So while all of my enemies are out here talking crap about me and giving their opinion on whether I did the right thing by disarming one of the gunmen, or whether or not my home invasion even happened and wondering why I'm not coming to defend myself.

The fact of the matter is that I couldn't care less what anyone thinks and I didn't think that I needed to defend myself or feel the need to until this Rick Chandler from deadspin.com, decided to use one of the largest sports blogs in the country to basically call me a liar.

I mean there were people on all of the forums that thought my home invasion was fake, I made it all up, its shady etc....  and I didn't care.

The only thing that I cared about was that my family, Brandon Vera and my buddy Thad were alive.  But Rick's article on deadspin.com has affected my business, if you Google my name "Lloyd Irvin", you'll see his article in the #9 position with the title "Did Lloyd Irvin Really Thwart A Home Invasion?"

Now I own too many businesses to name, but people search my name like crazy (people who want to do business with me), and after being in a situation where my entire family could've been murdered, some guy writes a post about me calling me a liar like this. 

So now people could believe that I have no integrity and choose not to do business with me. Depending one what business it is, it could cost me millions of dollars in lost business. 

What Rick has done to me is libel -- I'm pretty sure. We shall find out soon enough.

Heck, Deadspin.com should be viewed as a credible media source. More importantly, writers and bloggers shouldn't put people in bad light for no reason, writers and bloggers should never do anything to harm a person's business or reputation for no reason, and they should at least they investigate or do research for facts before publishing something that would potentially ruin a person's business. 

Wouldn't they?

Well because of Rick's irresponsible writing, I've decided to give everyone what they've wanted... PROOF! 

I'm going to let you hear the actual 911 call that my wife made the night of our home invasion.  When my wife first  heard the call, she immediately started crying again, when I first heard the call it made my heart drop since I didn't experience that part of that horrific night, I was in full combat mode and never even knew that she called the police until late into the ordeal.

In exchange for letting you listen to this 911 call I have only one small request. Please write the editor AJ Daulerio at ajd@deadspin.com and please request that they remove the blog post from their site. 

After you listen to the 911 call, if you could for one moment, imagine that if that was your family going though that, you'll quickly become upset as I am about Rick Chandler's actions.

Rick, if you listen to this call as a good reporter that has done to me what you've done, try to imagine this being your wife calling 911, you'll quickly understand where my anger comes from.

If you guys want to let Rick know how irresponsible he was you can write him at rick@deadspin.com

I already spoke to Rick last week asking him to take the blog post down, I told him that if he finds out that my story was fake to be my guest and 'expose' me, as the fraud that he's already called me, he said that he would talk to his editor and he didn't see a problem with taking it down and that he would get back to me. 

Well I've heard nothing, and before I spend money to take legal action, I would ask you to please write them on my behalf.

You can thank Rick Chandler for getting me to share my family's agony and pain with the world.

This has been one of the most traumatic experiences that I've ever had to deal with, and the only thing that I would like to worry about is trying to get my family's life back to normal, which it is far from.

But this Rick Chandler has forced me to protect my business interest, my reputation and my integrity as a World Class Self Defense Expert.

But Rick Chandler calling me a liar and making fun of my situation, saying how he 'if it really happened him and Steven Seagal salute me", like what happened to me is some sort of game. 

Then I find out that Rick has kids.

Let me share with you what my son does since the robbery:

Star-divide

For the first week or so he went back in time a couple of years and started to defecate and urinate on himself at night... he won't sleep alone, he has to sleep in the bed with us... he wakes up in the middle of the night asking are the "bad guys" here, he asked are the bad guys going to shoot him and is he going to have to go to the hospital to die.

He's been acting up in school; we are now taking him to a counselor to deal with his traumatic experience.  But as angry as I am, and as uncompassionate as this reporter Rick Chandler has been in during my ordeal, I wouldn't wish this even on Rick's kids.

Just for one second, imagine this...

Imagine if you wake up in your own home lying on your living room couch at 4:30am with 2 gunmen standing over top of you with 9MM handguns in your own house.

Imagine if they told you that if you run or anyone does anything that they will kill everyone in the house.

Imagine laying there helpless thinking about how you're going to die on this day, thinking about how you didn't tell your mom or dad that you loved them enough, thinking about how bad the pain will be of getting shot, hoping that you don't suffer to bad, hoping that your wife doesn't get raped, hoping that they don't kill your whole
family...

wondering if it's like in the movies when you get shot, laying there in your own blood gasping for air, until you take your last breath, will they kill my 3 year old son? (who was having a birthday party at my martial arts school that same day at 2pm)...

how my son wouldn't even see the age of four, thinking about all of the kids I'm not going to be able to help with my program, thinking about who would come to your funeral, and all of the other stuff that goes through your mind in the face of potential death.

Now imagine these 2 gunmen taking you upstairs in your house to round up everyone that is in your house, both reminding you that they will kill everyone in the house if you try anything.

Now imagine the gunmen putting you into your master bedroom, your wife in a panic asking what's going on (remember that this is in your own house at 4:30am - you're the man of the house and your wife doesn't know what's going on)...

imagine your 3 year old son crying, shaking and is in your arms and says while shaking like he jumped into icewater,"daddy, what's going on, why do they have guns? Where’s mommy? Are they going to shoot us?"

How would you feel?

Now imagine the gunmen putting your wife face down on the ground, then putting your friend who should be fighting in the UFC in 2 weeks face down on the ground...and you're standing there with your son in your arms with him scared to death, and the gunmen telling you to put him down and get the f@ck on the ground. 

To all my enemies.....

What would you do?

Do you get on the ground and pray that they don't rape your wife in front of you and kill your son and everyone in the house?

Do you beg for your life?

Do you beg for your child’s life?

Do you start crying, telling them to please leave, and
you won't say anything?

Or maybe you simply pass out like a ........!

What would you do?

Well this really happened to me. This was my reality and it haunts me to this day.

For me, an opportunity raised where I made a decision to attempt to disarm one of the gunmen that had me, my wife, my son and Brandon Vera in my bedroom, while the other gunman had left for a moment.

To make a long story short, my gun disarm worked.

During my disarm attempt, the gunman tried to push the gun towards me and he pulled the trigger and I was able to jam the gun...

I also was able to release the magazine during the disarm.

This caught a lot of crap talking; someone made a comment saying it reminded them of a "Jackie Chan movie." 

In reality it's nothing special, on some guns all you have to do is press one button on the gun and the magazine will drop out. 

It's not rocket science; I've trained for a long time to try to push the button to release the magazine as well as switch the gun to safety if I can. 

Some people wanted to know, "Why would I do that?"

Here's a quick explanation.

In my gun disarming system the reality is that once you decide to disarm an attacker, one of three things are going to happen:

1. You'll disarm the attacker and end up with the gun

2. You won't disarm the attacker and they'll end up with the gun (you'll probably die now)

3. The gun will drop and now you both have to scramble for the gun that just hit the ground. (Now you or the attacker will gain control of the gun)

If you don't end up with the gun and you were able to make the clip drop (which you are suppose to kick away when it hits the ground).

The fact is that if you lose the gun, with specific guns your attacker will only have one shot, and even if I had gotten shot and died, Brandon now would've had a chance to save my wife and son's life.

Everything is about getting a chance...

That's why I love sombo, even if some of the techniques look crazy or you would say, 'that would never work'. 

My question to you would be, "in 'blank' situation is "WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"

The answer is usually 'I don't know.'

Well we have something to do in practically every situation.

I'd rather have a chance than no chance at all.

People used to laugh when I always practiced my weapons disarms.
 
I can proudly say that in this situation my martial arts training saved my family and friends life. 

Now I'm not saying that what I did is what you should do if something like this ever happened to you, I pray that no one reading this ever has to go through anything like this...

But you have to make that decision for your family, if it did happen to you ever. 

I've trained in and have been focused on self defense for a very long time; my #1 love is Self Defense and Weapon Disarms. When I opened my school in 1996 it was called USDC "Ultimate Self Defense Concepts."

Most people only train for sport and the few that do some sort of self defense, a lot of what is being taught wouldn't work in a real life situation.

Since my home invasion ordeal, I've removed 60% of all of the gun disarms that I know from my disarming system, because they would've gotten me killed in my real life situation, or they just wouldn’t have been practical to attempt when my life was really on the line. 

My entire view on disarming has changed.

Truthfully, I honestly didn't know if any of those disarms would've worked in real life since I never had to do it with my life really on the line. 

Just like every instructor teaching self defense and weapons disarms has absolutely no idea if what they're teaching would really work, if they've never had to use the techniques to save their life before.

I can proudly say I know for a fact what I'm teaching works on the technical side and the mental/emotional side.

The only thing that I know for a fact is that in this situation, my decision worked out for me, my family and my friends.

With all of the home invasions that end up with everyone getting murdered, women getting raped etc. I opted to shoot my shot at trying to save my own family's life if the opportunity arrived, instead of hoping that two gunmen that have already told me multiple times how they would kill everyone in the house, won't kill us once we get on the ground.

Now imagine that you went through what we had to deal with and some person that you don't even know, a person that hasn't contacted you to speak to you and hasn't done any research whatsoever about your ordeal, a person that writes for probably the largest sports blog in the country, he writes an article making a mockery of you, an article that in all reality calls you a liar, makes light of your traumatic experience.

How would you feel?

I want to thank everyone that sent emails, cards and even called to show their support for me and my family.  I truly appreciate it.

To all of the people that made fun of my situation, thought that it was fake and all of the other nonsense that went on...  especially the instructors out there that are telling people that this was a publicity stunt (I know who you are)... I will pray that you and your family never have to go through something like this and if you do, you make the right decision for your family.

Any of us can be victims of a crime at any time, no matter where you live, how much money you have or what you do.  You have to be prepared for the worst; you must understand that there are cold blooded killers out here that won't think twice about killing you and your family. 

This is a reality, if you were raised in an environment that you want to ask why someone would do that, you're at a disadvantage already. 

I got caught slipping, didn't set my alarm that night (this was the first time I didn't set my alarm in probably 2 years), I had a few other minor flaws in my home, it will never happen again.  (At least I won't get caught slipping inside of my house-they may get me outside of my house, buy never again inside)

I've upped my security majorly, I have security cameras that record 24 hours a day around my entire house, motion detectors and flood lights outside, security cameras inside my house, shatterguard.com on all of my windows on my house, I got security bars on all of my basement windows that they got through, got my entire front door structure taken out and replaced with a steel frame, and steel door. 

I've made major changes and additions inside of my house that I won't speak about except for the fact that I have a new addition to my family that will arrive on November 20, 2008, his name is Counteur, he's "The Elite Family and Estate Security Dog" by CPI.  I got him from www.protectiondogs.biz, the same company Shaquille O'Neal and a lot of athletes get their protection dogs from.

If you've never had someone to do a security evaluation at your home, I would highly recommend that you do it - you'll be surprised at how vulnerable you could be.

Anyway, so here's what you've been waiting for, the actual 911 call.

(Note: my address and private information has been toned out for our privacy). 

A few notes, when you hear the dispatcher say "tell your dad" to stay in the room, it wasn't my wife's dad, she said "Thad," and when you hear a deep voice blurt out something, that's Brandon Vera telling Vicki to tell the dispatcher to tell the cops ("tell them to kick the front door in") because there was a point that we didn't know if the gunmen were in the house or not and the lady wanted me to put the gun down and open the door for the police, she said that they had the house surrounded. 

When you hear my wife asking someone is he ok, she's talking to my 3 year old son who she's holding in the tub, while on the phone with the 911 dispatcher.

But if the gunmen were still in the house, and I put the gun down to go open the door for them, the gunmen could've shot me, so I wasn't going anywhere and Brandon was letting them know to just kick our door in. 

You'll get the rest.

Please write the editor AJ Daulerio at ajd@deadspin.com and please request that they remove the blog post from their site. 

If you guys want to let Rick know how irresponsible he was you can write him at rick@deadspin.com

HERE'S THE 911 CALL AND THE DISPACTHER CALL.

 

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Wow.

I don’t even know what else to say. I’d be ashamed if I was “”mailto:rick@deadspin.com">rick@deadspin.com" and mortified that I tried to make a huge joke of something like this.

by Kierkegaard on Nov 10, 2008 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Reading about what his son is going through is pretty tough.

by SplitBreast on Nov 10, 2008 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Listening to the call is even tougher

by SplitBreast on Nov 10, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole situation is just horrible. Speaking to the Deadspin post, the words written on sites that are frequented by many can, and do, affect real people with real lives. Writers/Bloggers have got to be prudent about the way they address topics like this one. Being far removed from a serious situation doesn’t make that situation less real. A terrible event was worsened by the irresponsible actions of a blogger making a feeble attempt to be clever.

by Cannon Jacques on Nov 10, 2008 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

I remember that guys article

and worse, all the dipshit comments from his readers afterwards.
This is some scary stuff to listen to, and again I’m so glad they all made it out safely, and hope that the psychological scars don’t run too deep.

by mythbuster on Nov 10, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

I understand being angry that someone is trying to distort a situation but come on. Isn’t this reaction a bit..much?

by lbk on Nov 10, 2008 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think so. I think it’s reasonable considering the effect that irresponsible blog article had. This effected his family, his reputation, and his livelihood. I’d react the same way.

by pud333 on Nov 10, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you Kidding Me

This was a horriffic occurence and Lloyd has every right to be angry. How much of an over reaction would it be if it had been your family your name and character? I personally know LLoyd and he personifies integrity. My thoughts and prayers are with the Irvin family.

by rastarecon on Nov 14, 2008 5:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think an overreaction would be something like physical retaliation (not that I personally would blame him for that either). This seems to be a pretty even keeled response to a traumatic situation magnified by the thoughtless actions of a person who doesn’t understand the weight of his words.

by Day Man on Nov 10, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Hit them in the pocketbook

These blogs gonna have to learn that “new media” doesn’t mean “no responsibility”—you still gotta check your facts, not make unfounded accusations, and if you don’t, you’re gonna have to pay the guy you maligned.

@lbk: Yes, this is a bit of an overraction, but Lloyd Irvin didn’t pick this fight—Rick Chandler did. As in life, some times it takes an ass kicking, legal or otherwise, to remind people not to write checks with bravado that they can’t pay.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Nov 10, 2008 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Every time i hear one of these 911 calls I’m amazed by how annoying the 911 operator is.

by Devil Beest on Nov 10, 2008 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely agreed.

Whenever there’s an actual emergency/crisis situation like this, the top dispatcher should get on the line and deal with it. I’m sorry..some of these people are absolutely horrendous at calming people’s nerves and asking questions to which they might actually receive intelligent replies. The system needs modifying.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Nov 10, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

Your ‘top dispatcher’ is just going to have to spend the first 2 minutes trying to figure out what’s going on all over again. “I’m sorry ma’am I understand your hurt and under fire, but I’m just a trainee, my boss is going to have to take over. Can you please tell her again how many times you have been shot?” Extreme example, but I can’t see it helping in this situation or many others emergency situations. General Patton said (slight paraphrase) "a good plan executed violently today is much better than a perfect plan executed next week.

I’ll even go as far as to say the 911 operator did a great job in my opinion(not worth much). She had to deal directly with an emotional person and a dispatcher. This dispatcher has to deal with multiple situations often with multiple cops involved in each situation. From the dispatch audio I’m pretty sure they were dealing with a couple of other situations, one of which was another potential B&E involving a weapon. Irvin’s wife had it rationally (maybe not emotionally) together quite well for a scary situation.

by natyong on Nov 10, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Awful, awful stuff. I hope Deadspin does the right thing and removes the post.

The only way to make this right is for Rick and Lloyd to roll full-on for 15 minutes.
(Over/under on how many times Rick taps is 200.)

by Chris Nelson on Nov 10, 2008 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Disgrace

Deadspin is a disgrace to the business for not removing the post at this point and provoking this type of response. They should be sued to the fullest extent of the law. The fact that Lloyd has refrained from tracking down “Rick” from deadspin and exacting his own justice proves he is a much better man than I ever will be.
This post has produced nothing but anger. I am angry that something like this still happens in our society, I am angry that the gentlemen got away, I am angry that his poor children have to suffer now for lord knows how long, I am angry that Rick from deadspin is an unapologetic moron giving the blogesphere a bad name, and I am angry that this can happen to anyone and cannot be stopped. I am just angry.
My prayers go out to Lloyd Irvin’s children in the hopes that they make a full recovery from thsi horrific ordeal and can move on to have a simple and carefree life that every child should have. And I applaud Llyod for showing the class and dignity he has shown up to this point as his family has been threatened on multiple fronts.

by Nick Travaglini on Nov 10, 2008 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

It doesn’t feel over the top at all given what he’s gone through. In fact, unless you’ve gone through something this horrifying, I don’t think any of us are qualified to make a statement on what reaction is over-the-top or not.

I’m thankful I read this. I’m thankful that he appears to be healing. The post wasn’t about anger or retribution, it was about allowing people to understand the truth. It appears that he’s dealing with the truth and focusing on his family and getting order back to their lives etc and even pulling some positives (enhancing his self defense concepts).

I think there are a lot of positive lessons to be had here though. Perhaps the blogosphere will be more responsible and thoughtful with their posts. Perhaps Rick will consider how superficial and meaningless it is to appear as clever and funny and open his heart a little bit. Hopefully Lloyd Irvin’s family will pull together and love each other more as they heal from the trauma.

And maybe all of us will (I know that I have) read this and not take our families, friends, and loved ones for granted anymore. Be sure to tell the people that share your life how you feel about them and what they mean to you. I have a friend who’s dad committed suicide when he was a child, and of all the lessons to be learned, being open-hearted to those that have earned it is most important. Blessings to the Irvin family.

by Dooda on Nov 10, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

massive overreaction.

didn’t the guy drop it? i’ve been through some horrifying shit in my life and had people talk garbage, and you get pissed and then get over it. but it’s Irvin’s life, he’ll react how he’ll react.

-- I've misplaced my pants.

by garth on Nov 10, 2008 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

and further

the reaction of this site too…it sounds as if they’re saying “How dare you question my word?!”
While making jokes about a trauma are over the top, and dangerous territory to tread on, questioning a story is, and always must remain, a writer’s prerogative, and I think Luke Thomas would agree with that heartily in most other cases.

-- I've misplaced my pants.

by garth on Nov 10, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

I agree 100%. Huge over reaction IMO.

I thought this was addressed like a few weeks ago? Why keep brining it up? Respond individually to the writer in question. Constantly bringing it up again would have me questioning the real motive here.

by lbk on Nov 10, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

how about, “how dare you question my word and call me a liar without doing any damn research”?

by iiowyn on Nov 10, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Questioning the story is one thing; deadspin mocked them, called them liars, and accused them of making the story to engender business, all while getting the facts of the events wrong. A simple phone call or internet search would have revealed police records of the events, confirming Irvin’s story. I don’t blame Irvin for reacting so strongly because of how badly shaken his family is. He basically wants Chandler to admit he was wrong and apologize.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 10, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Deadspin needs to remove the post, and also owes Lloyd an official printed apology, in my mind.

by pud333 on Nov 10, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I absolutely believe writers have a right to question matters, but they must do so with evidence or properly couch it. Neither of those happened. Davis didn’t do that and now the post is affecting Irvin’s financial business. People are welcome to disagree, but I’m happy to post this information.

by Luke Thomas on Nov 10, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I have nothing but respect for the way Irvin has handled this situation.

Deadspin did what their type of outlet does, and I think they should be punished for it legally and financially, but this type of thing is simply going to happen. Irvin should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, right now, no question. His credibility, honor and integrity have been permanently tainted by this whole affair, and he needs to achieve justice.

Congratulations on your handling of this entire situation, Mr. Irvin. I applaud you.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Nov 10, 2008 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Hear, hear.

Although I argue that, after the controversy and finger-pointing, his credibility, honor and integrity have been made evident.

by Derek Suboticki on Nov 10, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I think of myself as a pretty calm and collected person, but I had to call 911 last November, and I think Lloyd’s wife sounds about as distraught as I felt. The fact that Lloyd stayed as calm as he did in this situation is pretty commendable.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Nov 10, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Commendable? It’s freakin’ scary – in the middle of an armed robbery, he managed to defend his family, disarm a robber, and patrol their hiding spot in darkness instead of meeting the police because he would have been unarmed, all without losing his temper until he is insulted over it. I will never say anything bad about him ever out of fear he will hunt me down hurt me, which I don’t doubt he could. I like my bones not being broken.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Nov 10, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Man.

That was intense. I like to think of myself as pretty savvy when it comes to self defense, but I really dont know what I would do in that situation. These are dangerous times we live in, and whether you train in self defense or not, you should always keep a plan in back of your mind in case a situation like this occours. Oh, yeah: Rick Chandler is a jackass Much respect to Master Irvin, and best wishes to his family, and Brandon Vera’s family.

by Cmad77 on Nov 10, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

Deadspin told me "no"

I emailed deadspin about taking that disrespectful blog off their site. Their response: “Eh, no. Thanks for responding, though.” (That’s word for word) I forwarded it to Lloyd and I hope he uses it as exhibit A in a law suit. What Jerks!

by YMoore on Nov 10, 2008 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

What ever happened to the intruders????

Lloyd said he got the gun from one of them……Did the intruders run off? I remember him and his wife in the bedroom saying they are NOT sure where the intruders were?

I never heard of ANY news or media outlet accusing ANYONE of “making up” something so horrible for profit???? That deadspin guy is a real work. I hope his company loses all credibility and goes out of busniess and loses everything. After someone going through such a horrifying ordeal, the worst thing someone could do is make fun of them and report “as news” that the stories that happeneded were all made up it for attention and profit.

by fightfan on Nov 10, 2008 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

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