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Jeremy Lappen, Seth Petruzelli Contradict Each Other on EliteXC Bonus Pay

Reader "mmalogic" finds what can only be described as a doozy. Get a load of this:

If you think Seth’s second statement was a big contradiction of his first get a load of this:

Seth was interviewed by sam caplan:

Sam Caplan: Would you have received a bonus had you submitted Kimbo?

Seth Petruzelli: Yes. There were submission bonuses, knockout bonuses, and a "Fight of the Night" bonus — just like the UFC does it. They just want an exciting fight no matter where it goes.

Sam Caplan: Did the submission bonus pay the same as the knockout bonus?

Seth Petruzelli: Yes. Every bonus is the same.

(source: http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/07/seth-petruzelli-discusses-elitexc-bonus-money-kimbos-posse-threatening-his-wife-what-it-was-like-fighting-bob-sapp-and-more-in-new-exclusive-interview/ )

Now Josh Gross just interviewed Jeremy Lapen:
 
EliteXC, it seems, does not view submissions, widely thought of as the most technical aspect of MMA, as an overly important portion of an exciting fight.

"We don’t give submission bonuses," Lappen said. But Petruzelli "knew a knockout bonus was possible before the fight."

(source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/josh_gross/10/08/seth.petruzelli/index.html?eref=T1 )

Benji Radach confirmed on sherdog radio:

"No, not at all," Radach said, when asked whether Elite XC officials ever mentioned knockout, submission, or fight of the night bonuses, before or after the event. "I wish there was a bonus because I think my fight was really exciting, maybe fight of the night or knockout of the night. But nope, I never heard anything."

Sounds like Seth is taking his back tracking a little too far.

First we have Petruzelli telling everyone he was paid to stand then backtracking. Now we have Petruzelli and Lappen directly contradicting each other not only on the terms of Seth's contract but on EliteXC contracts in general. Radach's statements get a pass because it's possible his contract had no such clause, which would still cohere with Lappen's statements that not every fighter's contract has such provisions. Nevertheless, what is going on?

The plot thickens.

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This is why I don’t believe in conspiracy theories…everyone is too dumb to keep their mouth shut and stories straight so they are exposed right away.

by banter on Oct 8, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I picked up on this too. At this point, I see no way this doesn’t end up a complete clusterfuck.

by Michaelthebox on Oct 8, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now with our “MMA citizens” investigation we can conclude the following:

AT BEST…. AGAIN AT BEST.

Elite XC only gives a KO bonus… not a submission bonus, not a fight of the night bonus.

So ponder the implications of this first point…

Secondly, We now know Elite XC picks and chooses which fighters and which bouts to offer this to.

Continue your pondering with this implication…

AT CONCEIVABLE (we dont know yet how bad it really is) WORST:

This in fact is not a KO bonus but a “stand up” bonus… or a “try to KO” bonus where you got paid as long as you “tried” (didnt shoot).

This obviously is the smoking gun.

So at Best they are fucking shady mutha fuckers ruining the sport and at Worst they should be investigated by the FBI as they are crooks.

Some random thoughts:

- It doesn’t seem that kimbo got this “ko” bonus offer…

- Imagine if Dana only offered the KO bonus to those that fought Houstan Alexander, Chuck lidell, etc… and only offered a sub bonus to those that fought big NOG… would it still be a sport… would it still be MMA?

 

by mmalogic on Oct 8, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, lets see. Petruzelli, a fighter, says there were UFC-style bonuses. Lappen says there are some contractual knockout bonuses but none for submissions. I’d say Seth is mistaken. Not exactly the most compelling evidence of impropriety.

by smoogy on Oct 8, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For you, nothing is.

by Luke Thomas on Oct 8, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets put on the old joe six pack thinken cap

UFC style bonuses? In the UFC everyone is entitled and they don’t just include one aspect of the game that discourages another.

by banter on Oct 8, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

And I’m saying the EliteXC boss denied they give out UFC-style bonuses. Who knows where Seth got the idea they were doing them like that, but this isn’t an incriminating development by any practical standard.

As far as MMA scandals go, this one is going to need a real turning-point moment to be remembered with stuff like the Zuffa Purchase.

by smoogy on Oct 8, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as MMA scandals go, this one is going to need a real turning-point moment to be remembered with stuff like the Zuffa Purchase.

what are you talking about?

by banter on Oct 8, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like He’s still hurt and devastated that Zuffa bought Pride… and now he has to see his “fixed” fights through elite xc – and he doesnt want anyone messing with it.

by mmalogic on Oct 8, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant the purchase of UFC by Zuffa and the events preceding it, genius.

by smoogy on Oct 9, 2008 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so what?

What are you getting at? What the hell does this have to do with Kimbo?

Make sense man.

by banter on Oct 9, 2008 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Smoogy = kazja

It all makes sense now. I believe what he is referring to is that preceding the purchase of UFC by Zuffa, the previous owners were trying to do something with the events/rules to try and clean it up. Then the NSAC, being influenced by the Fertitta’s, blocked said changes. This essentially forced the previous owners to sell and Zuffa bought them on the cheap. I could be completely wrong, but I think that’s the gist of it.

I’d look for links and such, but it’s too early for bs conspiracy theories. Google it or search the dregs of the sherdog forums if you really want to hurt your brain.

by LiuLang on Oct 9, 2008 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that true though?

I’ve never seen a viable source say that. I saw Yamma man say it on CNBC, but then Zuffa threatened to sue CNBC and they pulled it from future airings of the show. If CNBC pulled something from a documentary, I don’t put that much weight into it.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2008 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This has been exposed as untrue...

Check fightopinion.com comments archive.

by cyph on Oct 9, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets all agree to ignore smoogy.

by Michaelthebox on Oct 8, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

probably need to…I had to stare blankly for 10 minutes (whilst booger picking) trying to figure out what he is trying to get at.

I now have a headache

by banter on Oct 8, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not nice, man.

Smoogy has an opinion and POV that you don’t agree with. Let’s not let this turn into third grade where we all ignore the kid who doesn’t tow the popular line.

Besides, no one – and I mean NO ONE- brings the GIFs like Smoog.

by asa on Oct 9, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you to a point, but when you’re formulating an opinion, you should remain objective and try to gather the facts. Also, this is about EliteXC, not UFC. It gets old when no matter the subject, there’s some people who’s answer are always “YEAH BUT UFC”.

Then, you get to this situation where people don’t care what he has to say or outright dismisses his opinion because he’s just saying the same things over and over again.

And what’s the popular line that people are towing in this case? I don’t understand that. We shouldn’t criticize EliteXc because they’re not the UFC?

by LiuLang on Oct 9, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then, you get to this situation where people don’t care what he has to say or outright dismisses his opinion because he’s just saying the same things over and over again.

Everyone’s opinions are based on their own identity processing the fats that’re available to them. If we don’t believe he has certain facts, then tht’s what the hyper in hypertext is for. If we believe his perspective on those facts is altering his opinion in some way, then please expound upon that. What I found disruptive to the candor here, insulting, and just plain unnecessary was the desire to insult someone you don’t agree with when all that was needed was to close the browser window or move to the next comment. Granted, he didn’t suggest Smoog shoot himself in the face and then die, or anything that extreme. I just felt the need to ask that it not go further or continue, or that anyone here should feel marginalized or outcast because they had perspectives or ideas that went against the general consensus.

I don’t hang around MMA forums because they’re often used to express every infantile and malicious emotion people have, but don’t want to bother to process with their minds. I know it takes energy and emotional effort to process the thoughts of people you don’t agree with, and I’m not actually comparing him or you to Sherdoggers in this situation. I know how you feel, and I personally don’t agree with Smoogy in the least on this, no matter his skills with a Graphic Interleave. But I felt he could have left it at not agreeing, and stated why. The End.

This whole situation stirs up considerable emotion in all of us, but I still feel Bloodyelbow was always a place our humble editors tried to provide where we could love, hate, discuss, and disagree about the greatest sport without having to explain why insults aren’t a debate tool amongst people who respect one another and are willing to take the time to read and share each others opinions.

Personally, when I want to mock and be mean to the sport and the people who follow it, I read FL.

by asa on Oct 9, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

Sorry, didn’t mean to ignore this part, man.

And what’s the popular line that people are towing in this case? I don’t understand that. We shouldn’t criticize EliteXc because they’re not the UFC?

Well, he seemed to think that the NSAC vote allegations were more important than this and “Who knows where Seth got the idea they were doing them like that,” Whereas most of us seem to think (A) this is considerably more important than Frank either torpedoing the competition so he could buy all their assets for himself or thinking poorly of the sport and then finding out more and changing his mind and (B) Seth was told this by EliteXC officials right before the fight as he himself said in the radio show.

Also:

I agree with you to a point, but when you’re formulating an opinion, you should remain objective and try to gather the facts.

I wholeheartedly agree. It felt like “let’s ignore Smoogy” was not an researched opinion being brought to the discussion,. but a statement made in public to insult someone who simply could have been ignored, y’know? And hey, I know it just happens sometimes. We get frustrated with the crazy ish in this sport and other peoples opinions just seem so out there that you just have to let out that feeling. I’m not against MTB, I just wish we could keep that stuff to a minimum. But we’re not always gonna agree on everything, are we?

:)

by asa on Oct 9, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So imagine for a second…

UFC doesn’t have any bonus structure.

Dan henderson is coming off a nice winning streak and gets a title shot against A. Silva…

Dana tells henderson we’re gonna give you a KO bonus that equals almost as much as your purse.

After coming home from the garbage route you decide to use your $5 paycheck to speculate on this match becuase you believe if Henderson can get it to the ground he can win and maybe you can take your old lady to denny’s or something with your new found cash.

Henderson decides to gamble and go for double the pay day and you’re out your once in a life time fine dining experience.

Your wife goes crazy and you shoot your brains out for losing your life savings…

Don’t you think you would like to have known about this development? Don’t you think the blogs and news you read about the sport would look into this? Wouldn’t you think the commissions would look into this?

by mmalogic on Oct 8, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's called

not biting the hand that feeds.

Maybe other fighters need to learn the STFU method too.

Don't give up, just pull a Nick Serra!

by GirlyGirl on Oct 8, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But doesn’t that apply to EliteXC/CBS not biting the hands of the fans who they want watching their ads?

I’m the only “hardcore” in my cliques, but a bunch of casuals, semi-fans and I got together to watch this show, but even more got together to watch the last one. Most people were turned off by the stand-ups and the fishy reffing in the Colossus match. This time the Arlovski stand-up even had a former Thai fighter I know saying “WTF?” And he loves Arlovski.

I tell my friends that this is just EliteXC and that not everyone does shit this badly, but not everyone has a hardcore in the room with them rubbing their bellies telling them it’ll all be better. Some people just go with their initial reaction when they see shit like this. People who listen to sports radio or blogs are getting wind of this and not doing any further research. They just hear “KIMBO FIGHT WAS FIXED!”

I’m at work and rambling and I apologize, but this hurts anyone involved with or a fan of this sport. A sport I believe is the greatest in the history of the world. Martial Artists turn war in brotherhood and I think that’s something worth protecting.

This shit just hurts us all.

by asa on Oct 9, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only person that seems to be contradicting anyone else is Seth. He has not contradicted himself and now Jeremy.

The kid was only signed to appear on this Heat card because he is a Florida native.
I am not sure how well he even knows his contract or how EliteXC runs business.

If I heard Jeremy Lappen and Shaw contradicting themselves, then it would be more obvious, but Seth doesn’t seem to know WTF is going on.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 9, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

^^^ Correction

The only person that seems to be contradicting anyone else is Seth. He has now contradicted himself and now Jeremy Lappen.

The kid was only signed to appear on this Heat card because he is a Florida native.
I am not sure how well he even knows his contract or how EliteXC runs their business.

If I heard Jeremy Lappen and Shaw contradicting themselves, then it would be more obvious, but Seth doesn’t seem to know WTF is going on.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 9, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But Elite XC consultant Gary Shaw said he wouldn’t hesitate to “go to a fighter and

say, ’We’re looking for a stand-up fight.’ You’re not asking him to throw a fight. You’re talking about a fan-friendly fight, not about protecting Kimbo.”

Shaw said he has urged MMA fighters in the past to maximize the action, to avoid an abundance of yawn-inspiring wrestling.

“Do I think that’s unethical? No,” Shaw said. “Because in MMA, you get bonus money for a knockout. I don’t see it as unethical . . . asking him to be TV and fan friendly.”

by The Bronzeville Bully on Oct 9, 2008 6:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The more that I hear

about this, the more I get pissed off and feel cheated. Are these guys that f-ing retarded that they are unable to get with “The Silverback” to ensure they are spewing the same bullshit? As much as I love MMA, and especially Gina Carano, this makes not ever want to watch Elite.

by dnevil001 on Oct 9, 2008 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seen this from Jeremy Lambert?

“In more Petruzelli/Kimbo news, Jared Shaw is hinting that Kimbo’s camp should file a protest against the referee, claiming Petruzelli was hitting Kimbo in the back of the head en route to the stoppage”

mother f-er

by dnevil001 on Oct 9, 2008 8:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would Bas go for that?

Seth landed one shot to the back of the head after Kimbo was dropped to his knees, and Bas has always said that things like that aren’t intentional, and while unfortunate, they happen in the heat of the moment.

But thanks Jared for comin’ out the side of yer mouth with that bullshit. Maybe he should know a little bit more about the trainer of your biggest star before talking about them in public.

by asa on Oct 9, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw em in jail for sheer stupidity

If you can’t even get your shit straight enough to lie to the cops, I don’t care if a crime happened or not – your ass is grass.

by subo on Oct 9, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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