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Florida Boxing Commission Sez: Nothing to See Here, Folks

Fronted by Luke Thomas.

According to this article from CBS Sports:

The Florida State Boxing Commission is aware of a controversial statement made by Seth Petruzelli in a radio interview on Monday, but does not feel the comment indicates wrongdoing by either Petruzelli or EliteXC promoters, according to a commission spokesperson.

While no formal complaint has actually been filed, Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation spokesperson Alexis Antonacci did look at Petruzelli's words and concluded:

"After further review of the comments that are in question, we believe that he is referring to the fact that he got paid more to keep the show going," Antonacci said. "Meaning that before the fight, Ken Shamrock was injured and couldn't fight Kimbo Slice. So Seth stepped in and said 'OK, I'll fight him.' And without that, there wouldn't have been a main event that night."

[UPDATE] by Chris Nelson - CBS Primetime Senior Executive Vice President Kelly Kahl agrees:

“I don’t believe there was any impropriety whatsoever.”

[UPDATE] by Luke Thomas: I spoke to Kahl yesterday and this is essentially what he told me as well. I also asked whether they were concerned about the story spreading like wildfire and what that could to do EliteXC's image without any sort of a formal effort to combat it, Kahl said EliteXC probably would issue some sort of formal statement.

While it's easy to dismiss the online media as hysterical and irrelevent, it's nevertheless a gigantic mistake. It is perhaps true this whole matter could blow over. After all, even if there were a formal inquiry it could all be ended with a few statements from the key actor's denying the charges.

But fans - the folks who support EliteXC and Kimbo Slice - are not soon to forget this. They are highly likely to remember if not the conviction of EliteXC, certainly the strong whiff of impropriety. Simply waving a hand of dismissal as indication the charges don't deserve attention is not prudent. What is pragmatic and responsible is to formally address the charges in such a way that indicates the major players recognize the seriousness of the situation and wish to act in the best interest of the sport and its governing rules.

Petruzelli played spoiler to the best laid plans of EliteXC and then issued contradictory statements, the initial of the two clearly stating EliteXC officials offered monetary compensation to alter the character of the fight. That is serious even if Petruzelli misspoke. And when veteran journalists like Dave Meltzer suggest he had heard rumblings about EliteXC officials asking this before Petruzelli himself said it, the problems only grow from there.

I hope for the sake of EliteXC they do not think simply by appearing in a few articles or radio shows and dismissing the charges that this is going to wash away a very ugly situation.

 

[UPDATE] Investigations underway.

ESPN reports an investigation is underway



"While the Department of Business and Professional Regulation doesn't have any reason to believe there was a problem with the Slice-Petruzelli fight, given the interest in it, the Department has begun a preliminary investigation to thoroughly review the circumstances of the fight," said Jennifer Meale, Communications Director for the DBPR.

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I have no idea what they’re saying. I get that apparently they’re not going to do shit, but what’s all this crap about Seth stepping in to keep the show going? It sounds like they don’t have the will to investigate this. I can’t say what happened. It all seems very fishy and at least warrants looking into.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 7, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless I read it wrong

which is entirely possible, I think there is only so much that they can do without a formal complaint – which they haven’t received.

by mythbuster on Oct 7, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

You’re probably right. Like you said below, I have to think they can pressure some people and look into it informally, maybe. It just seems with Meltzer coming out with the statement he did there is something there worth investigating. I wonder who would be in a position to file a formal complaint?

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 7, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meltzer has never shied away from reporting unsubstantiated rumours, so I really doubt his words will sway anyone.

I think BE is making more out of this than the evidence warrants. Looking at Seth’s initial comments, he doesn’t even explicitly state “they paid me to stand up” — by my interpretation, he is saying that he took the fight (and compensation) under the impression that EXC wanted a stand-up battle. Perhaps he just assumed that was what he wanted.

Without more compelling evidence, this is just going to be EXC’s name being dragged through the mud

by smoogy on Oct 8, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you dissect his first comment enough you can make it say whatever you want it to. I tried to take it at face value, and it doesn’t sound good to me. You can draw your own conclusion, but I believe this situation warrants looking into. If nothing can be found, we can let it go. EliteXC can be vindicated, and improve its standing in the process. EXC should want the opportunity defend itself, because this situation will hang over it like a dark cloud. You can minimize it all you want, but many people won’t forget just like you can recall any semi-questionable incident that involves the UFC. Ultimately, these promotions – UFC included – are far too secretive and that in and of itself spawns distrust among fans. When something like the Petruzelli statement comes out, fans and potential fans want to be reassured that the sport has some ethical standards. That’s all I want.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 8, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can’t really do a whole lot. They can go to Seth and say “What did you mean by that” and Seth might just toe the company line and restate the second statement he gave, but if other fighters come forward and say the same stuff then they might take a deeper look. Right now, they see some fishy stuff, but are not motivated to take action.

by szucconi on Oct 7, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True to a degree, but they could (if they wanted) put some pressure in certain places, ask people some “off the record” questions, that kind of thing. But honestly, I agree that it won’t make much difference in the end.

The difference between taking a dive and try to fight a certain way is very large (and no, I’m not defending EXC if they did do that).

by mythbuster on Oct 7, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fight fixing is generally viewed as a promoter paying, or otherwise coercing, one fighter to “take a dive,” or lose intentionally. While there is nothing in Petruzelli’s comment to indicate that he was told to lose, it would still be considered foul play if he were offered extra money to alter his fight style to cater to his opponent.

“I don’t know if fixing would be the right term, but certainly a violation of the sport in general,” Antonacci said.

by mythbuster on Oct 7, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t really see how is comments can be construed to mean he was being paid more to take the fight. If you look at the transcript of the conversation it’s certainly appears as though he was given extra money on the suggestion (at the very least) that he keep the fight on the feet. With an accusation like that I think its important that the Florida Athletic Commission at least follow up on it, something they don’t appear to be interested in doing at all.

by Andy R on Oct 7, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe...
“If someone does file a formal complaint, we would do a full investigation of all the allegations from whoever complained. It doesn’t matter who it is. But at this time, we haven’t started an investigation and (we have) no reason to believe any wrongdoing has occurred,” she said.

Alexis said that without a formal complaint, they can’t do an investigation but if someone does file a formal complaint, they will have to investigate.

by mythbuster on Oct 7, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do I file a formal complaint?

by szucconi on Oct 7, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like this is the place. Quick search got me that, there could be better ways.

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/entercomplaint.asp

by mythbuster on Oct 7, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone should file a complaint on behalf of Bloody Elbow readers

The issue was uncovered and advanced by blogs like this, so this is the logical next step. Imagine if SI, ESPN, etc. ended up reporting that the complaint uncovered corruption and was filed by “Bloody Elbow.”

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich.--Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luke should do it. He will make the AC get out there dictionary. If I did it they would laugh at my spelling and grammer. Also I am not really from BE. I am a parton of BE.

by szucconi on Oct 8, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last time EXC had Dan Miragliotta who is a pretty high profile ref involved in a pretty questionable stoppage in regards to the last Kimbo fight. In this case they have the Fla. Athletic Commission and a group of no name refs calling their fight on national TV and again we have some controversy with referee judgment (nelson/arlovski), and a confession of fight fixing of at least some degree by Seth P. In the words of Sam “ace " Rothstein "either you were in on it or you were to dumb to see it”

by nitro on Oct 8, 2008 1:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t keep up with refs as much as I should, but I know who Troy Waugh is so he’s definitely not a nobody. I’m pretty sure he’s reffed a bunch for UFC.

by Chris Nelson on Oct 8, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Which is not to say the Nelson/Arlovski standup wasn’t total bullshit.)

by Chris Nelson on Oct 8, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why

does the Florida Boxing Comm even care about him “stepping in” for the main event? They should have no interest in this at all

by dnevil001 on Oct 8, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These further statements by CBS are not good. It shows me that either they don’t take this situation seriously, or they don’t take the sport of MMA seriously. Either way, it’s completely foolish not to look into this situation further, especially with the actions of Jared Shaw at cageside. At this point, it’s unknown whether EliteXC officials did anything wrong. To allay any fears that MMA promotions – EliteXC in particular – may not be serious about true competition, CBS should help seek the truth regarding this matter.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 8, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree 100% with this elequantly-written statement
But fans – the folks who support EliteXC and Kimbo Slice – are not soon to forget this. They are highly likely to remember if not the conviction of EliteXC, certainly the strong whiff of impropriety. Simply waving a hand of dismissal as indication the charges don’t deserve attention is not prudent. What is pragmatic and responsible is to formally address the charges in such a way that indicates the major players recognize the seriousness of the situation and wish to act in the best interest of the sport and its governing rules.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich.--Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Oct 8, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NOTE FOR EVERYBODY TO READ!

Just to let you guys know, this is how things get REALLY BAD.
We have had nothing but MMA “fans” on the internet claim foul play on EliteXC and fixing fights. To the media and the casual fans, this makes not JUST ELITEXC seemed RIGGED, but the UFC AN ALL OF MMA. IT WILL CAUSE MMA TO LOSE ANY CREDIBILITY IT HAS BUILT FOR THE PAST YEARS.

If an investigation keeps on being demanded and one may happen, if something happens to EliteXC and they get busted, the government will surely go after the UFC next.
This is how bad things start to happen. And to think all of this may have happened because seth may have misunderstood what EliteXC said?

This will not just destroy EliteXC, but hurts MMA’s image in general.
So, I hope people think hard about what they are asking for.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 8, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, so lets let one or a few comapanies just be fake so we can kill the sport entirly instead of weeding out the bad apples and maybe damage the sports cedibility a little. Lets just let it all go to shit so we can avoid a scandle. Lets all just cover it up and let it go so it can happen over and over until it blows up and becomes a huge story and Jose Conseco can write a book about it. You are what is wrong with the world in that you lack critical thinking skills and can ignore coruption. You have no forethought. What is the end game if we allow it to continue?

by szucconi on Oct 8, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong again.

I am saying to all those people that want EliteXC to fail, to really think about what they are doing and not just do it because of their hatred. If ProElite, FSAC, and CBS see no harm in this, yet the fans keep talking about fixing and rigging, that will leave MMA with a bad stigma of fixing fights.

You hear what I am saying. I am not saying let the scandals go and let fixing happen. I am saying if no higher autority finds any reasonable proof that something bad happened but fans keep talking about it, it makes MMA look bad.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 8, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say there is something bad. I say some shit going down and the AC needs to take a look. If they find nothing with a deeper probe then just calling Seth then fine, but you can’t just let it go. These are some serious charges and they need to be handled. Also, note to you, MMA looked bad after the first Kimbo fight on CBS. Some people I know that are not into the sport called it rigged. This is number two and there is a rumor of a third strike in that EXC paid another of Kimbo’s “meals” to stand only.

I am also blaming you for my 401k being in the toilet.

by szucconi on Oct 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Blame me for the stock market dropping as well while your add it and the MASSIVE debt our country is in because the “intelligent” American Citizens voted Bush to lead our country for 8 wonderful years! :)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 8, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a cheap shot, but ment in jest.

by szucconi on Oct 8, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its spot on.

by mmalogic on Oct 8, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW…I agree with this quote posted above.

“But fans – the folks who support EliteXC and Kimbo Slice – are not soon to forget this. They are highly likely to remember if not the conviction of EliteXC, certainly the strong whiff of impropriety. Simply waving a hand of dismissal as indication the charges don’t deserve attention is not prudent. What is pragmatic and responsible is to formally address the charges in such a way that indicates the major players recognize the seriousness of the situation and wish to act in the best interest of the sport and its governing rules.”

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then we agree to agree. The proper bodies should have a look.

by szucconi on Oct 8, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is they did have a look and thought nothing of it, get it.
I doubt anything else will happen.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 8, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they said they can’t do anything without a formal complaint. They said they don’t have the power to launch a formal investigation without a formal complaint. They said they talked to Seth and asked him what the deal was. That like asking a burgler if they are stealing stuff and they say no so you help them load the loot in the van.

by szucconi on Oct 8, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup. That is what I mean. There is no solid proof to file a formal complaint. I don’t think saying “I think EliteXC is riggin fights because they are Shady” is a formal complaint". Or, “I heard Meltzer say he has heard that they have done this before” will be taken seriously. Apparently, not even what Seth said on the Radio is solid enough proof because it wasn’t explicit enough.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 8, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is where we disagree. I think there is plenty for a formal complaint. I don’t think there is enough for anything to happen, but thats why you need the investigation. If they look and find nothing then fine, but you are saying there is no good evidence so they shouldn’t look for any. I say there is no good evidence, but there is a good reason to look for some.

by szucconi on Oct 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhm, Isn’t it the job of reporters to investigate these things? Are Meltzer and all these others are running their opinions but I’m not hearing it anybody offer proof. What I mostly seem to be hearing from these reporters is their demands that someone investigate! I wish everybody else would do my work for me too!

That being said, thanks CBS Sports, Chris, and Luke for getting the interviews and quotes.

by natyong on Oct 8, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UPDATE!!!

ESPN reports an investigation is underway

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3634858

“While the Department of Business and Professional Regulation doesn’t have any reason to believe there was a problem with the Slice-Petruzelli fight, given the interest in it, the Department has begun a preliminary investigation to thoroughly review the circumstances of the fight,” said Jennifer Meale, Communications Director for the DBPR.

by mythbuster on Oct 9, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Think Hard….if the Seth guy was paid to do something (or not to do something) Don’t you think that they offered Ken the same thing? Being that he hates anything other than winning, I am sure that he turned it down, or at the very least wanted far more than they were willing to give him, when they could just give this Seth guy, or anyone from the undercard a smaller amount of money……

THEY WANTED KEN TO THROW THE FIGHT!!!!!!

by kungfuvanity on Oct 23, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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