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Can Kimbo Slice's MMA Career Be Saved?

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I understand that the majority of response to Kimbo's brutal loss around these parts has been joy and cries of "I told you so."  However, from a business standpoint EXC is left in an awkward spot.  They put a huge percentage of their marketing into the Kevin Ferguson hype machine only to see him put on a dissapointing, exposing performance against James Thompson and then getting KO'ed in 14 seconds against a light heavyweight.

From a business standpoint it is difficult to see any way that EXC can write Kimbo off or relegate him to the undercard.  It was clear that even after getting KO'ed that he was getting a very positive reaction from the crowd while Petruzelli was getting booed.  Ferguson remains EXC's biggest star unless they manage to sign Tito Ortiz (which I don't believe will ever happen).

The way I see it EliteXC has to keep Ferguson at the top part of their card and they have three ways to handle his next fight:

1) Brett Rogers - This is the option that EXC takes if they want to transfer Kimbo's hype on to someone else.  It also means the official end of the Slice gravy train because I don't see any way he doesn't lose to Rogers and a second straight loss takes away any mystique Kimbo has left.  Rogers, however, is extremely marketable and has a legitimate chance of becoming a champion in the promotion (provided it survives that long).  All that being said, I don't think they're ready to write off Slice.

2) Seth Petruzelli - This is a very risky option as Petruzelli isn't really a top level guy, maybe he could seem as such in EXC's 205 division but he just isn't a top guy anywhere else.  The obvious upside here would be a Kimbo win allowing them to blow the loss off as a case of a guy being put off his game by a last minute change.  But the risk is just too great, a second loss to Petruzelli would ruin Kimbo more than anything else I can think of.

3) Ken Shamrock - I think this is the direction they must go with this.  It is as close to a guaranteed highlight reel KO for Slice as anything, and it would be against a big name opponent.  There is also a storyline to build off of.  Also, the matchup doesn't look quite as grotesque after the Kimbo loss.  It's still transparent matchmaking, but at least it is now a very much needed type of transparent matchmaking.

Whatever the decision is, there is a desperate need for a Kimbo win for EXC to be able to continue delivering ratings.  Their show yesterday was very good, but the only person on their roster aside from Kimbo who can draw reliable money is Gina Carano.  As much as much of the MMA community would like to see Kevin Ferguson go back to fighting in backyards, EXC needs him and they need him with the aura that made him must-see TV.

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Having Kimbo take on Shamrock is probably the best option at this point – Rogers will obviously be too much. However, if EliteXC is still behind Kimbo, they’re going to have to put the fight together quickly because I imagine Kimbo’s loss exacerbated their financial woes and made them look bad to CBS management.

by MMAEruption on Oct 5, 2008 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

jared shaw

why isnt anyone doing an article on that douche bag vice president jared shaw……he was clearly yelling at the ref and trying to dictate the fight…. wich he did at the last slice fight!!! if elite xc wants to continue they need to drop this guy

by baldspot23 on Oct 5, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because everyone already knows he’s a joke.

by Chris Nelson on Oct 5, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

career saved?

yes, his career can be saved, in pro wrasslin.

by bdw on Oct 5, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is really a set of not good choices. I guess you have to go with Shamrock as much as I detest the matchup. They really need to build Kimbo back up slowly and methodically, but I don’t think they have much time, if any, to do this.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 5, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I mean…option 4 is to start over again with the James Thompsons and Bo Cantrells of the world…but they don’t have enough time for that.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 5, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if they are actually interested in building stars, they’d put Kimbo in with Brett Rogers to let Rogers take some glory. But I still think EliteXC is on a very short time table, so this means desperate short term maneuvering, which would point to resetting the Kimbo vs Shamrock fight.

by pud333 on Oct 5, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Instead of using Kimbo’s celebrity to prop up their brand and other legit fighters they instead spend most of their time trying to pump up a lie…

how do you save a guys career when almost any fighter from any weight class can beat him?

My guess is his handlers will focus more on capitalizing on Kimbo’s “entertainment” options instead of sport.

He lost a 1m plus pay day fight and hurt his celebrity to a point… if he loses one more time all his entertainment (wwe, movies, etc…) options are gone.

by mmalogic on Oct 5, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What 1m pay day? You and Rome said that. Is there any interest of Kimbo from Zuffa, LLC?

by The Bronzeville Bully on Oct 5, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Kimbo came out of his fights on CBS undefeated he would have had a minimum of a 1m payday.

by mmalogic on Oct 5, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brent -

How about this one!

Sign Tito, Tito vs. Kimbo. Tito wins. New draw = Tito

by poopooplatter on Oct 5, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I almost feel bad for Kimbo…almost. He had nothing to gain and a lot to lose. I’m sure EXCBS lined his pockets with “bread” last night.

I was impressed by his handling of the situation after the fight. He easily could have made excuses, run down Seth and tried to set up a rematch. instead, he did nothing but give props and ask the crowd to support Seth and the other fighters. If only he had touched gloves before the fight. Please, Bas, get him on board with this.

As I’ve said before, this loss isn’t the end of the road for the Kimbo train or EXCBS. However, a second loss in a row, very well may be the end. The damaged eye and post fight ref take down, showed that he was at least stunned badly. If he comes back and demolishes his next opponent, it will all but erase this fight.

As for the suggestions:

1) Rogers—If they put this fight next, we should all take it as a huge sign, that they are all but done with Kimbo. I would be VERY surprised if this happens anytime soon. Rogers is a HW title contender. Kimbo is not. Kimbo is a viewer draw and potential good fighter.

2) Seth Petruzelli—Why? Dude is a LHW and while I think Kimbo would likely beat him down with proper prep time, the chance for a second straight loss to Seth is to much of a risk to take. As for Seth, he isn’t freakin’ Rocky! Rocky was a club fighter and street tough who made it to the big time only to lose, then rebound and so on. Doesn’t that sound more like Kimbo? Seth will certainly get rewarded with a couple of higher profile fights and will profit monetarily, but this didn’t catapult him to superstar status by any stretch of the imagination. good for him and I hope he capitalizes on last night.

3) Shamrock—They already sold it, both guys should be able to get back in there fairly quickly and Ken is exactly the type of guy that they need for Kimbo to beat up and regain his lost luster. Forget bringing back a Thompson or Cantrell, because at this time, that is exactly who Ken is. Make this fight happen and do it asap.

While I’m ranting, I’m no big fan of Kimbo, but what is with all the hate on him from people? I can understand if you don’t care for him, but the passionate hatred is ridiculous.

Gina is the true superstar in EXC and if they don’t do a ppv, Gina/Cyborg at 145/8 should be the main event in the next EXCBS show.

The November EXC looks awesome and overall, last nights show was very entertaining. I would have loved an undercard show on Showtime or FSN.

As a fan if the mma first, i hope EXC makes it, but they need to get to work promoting their real star fighters, like Alvarez and Feijao. last night was a pretty good mix, but could you imagine the audience reaction, if they watched a fight like Alvarez/Hansen?? Instant mainstream superstar. young, exciting, good looking kid who is a good fighter. I think Alvarez whips Diaz, then let’s see Alvarez/Noons, which could be a slugfest.

Please get rid of Little Enos Shaw. i would take his dad over him ANY day, and that is saying something.

Frank’s comments on Ken…pure gold! I was just laughing may ass off when he spouted off about the Shamrock legacy.

Overall, i like the announcing team. johnson is money and lends the professionalism that mma NEEDS.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Oct 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh and...

Major props to Seth for his post fight comments. Very classy and smart of him to explain the situation to casual fans who may not realize the preparation that goes into getting ready for different opponents. Seth always has seemed like a decent guy and i hope he keeps on going.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Oct 5, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point on making Gina/Cyborg a main event – but it’s f*cking ridiculous that they’ll be stuck fighting 3 minute rounds.

by MMAEruption on Oct 5, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha! I totally meant to put that in there. Nice job!

The fact that pro women are fight 3 minute rounds is ridiculous imo.

Is it to protect the fairer sex?? I say that last night, Gina very well may have ended that fight in the first round if it was 5 mins. Instead it went the full 3 rounds, which could highly increase the risk of injury or whatever. Plus, I think it forces the fighters to spend more time standing, as they don’t have as much time to work position and set up subs. It just kind of throws the whole dynamic of the fight off, imo.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Oct 5, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EXC needs fairies that piss rainbows, too - they're not getting either one

Did anyone else hear ‘Taps’ playing when Kimbo went down?
Or was that ‘Celebrate Good Times’ pumping from Dana’s limo?

by subo on Oct 5, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The reality is Elite only has enough money to put on one more show (nov 8th)…

Any hope of raising money just went out the window with Kimbo losing…

Any hope for a PPV just went out the window with Kimbo losing…

Elite is done.

There is a lesson in business:

Don’t piss off a gorilla and even worse don’t ever piss off a gorilla with an ego.

Do you think it’s by accident The Dana only has nice things to say about The Donald and Mark Cuban.

It’s by design… because the last thing you want to do in business is motivate a gorilla with an ego.

Let’s just say K-fed hasn’t realized this yet and only sped up his demise.

by mmalogic on Oct 5, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When it comes to pissing off a gorilla, I think you have a point. Who has succeeded as direct competition to UFC? Nobody.

Note to promoters: Know your place and start there. See Strikeforce. Dana has nothing but good things to say about SF and they have been very successful.

Unfortunately, the CBS deal may have killed EXC, imo. They started out signing some good young fighters and recognizable names from other promotions. However, the pressure to put up ratings on CBS, has forced them to rely on Kimbo and greatly ignore their real “talent”. I’m afraid it may be to late for them to go back and get on track, but we will see soon enough.

"The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'"

by BJJDenver on Oct 5, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Logic, you prob not of fan of mmapayout but they said that CBS there was a lack of CBS mainstream sponsors from the previous shows which was explanation of lots of Fedor commercials. I was wondering because of that, will CBS/Showtime be reluctant to purchase Pro Elite now? Also, was that money well spent by Affliction? The mainstream does not know who Fedor is and will probably forget about him, by the time their January PPV comes around,

by The Bronzeville Bully on Oct 5, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the best money affliction spent…

Considering the nascar debacle that’s not saying much but it’s better for the “affliction brand” to be seen on network TV than a few people on PPV.

If I were affliction like I said a while ago I would fulfill and assign all my contracts to CBS/showtime in return for being the main sponsor and an equity stake in either elite xc or a new org they set up.

Worst case they write off their losses as advertising… best case they get some longevity and actually have a presence in the MMA market.

Imagine if it was Arlovski who beat kimbo… That’s something you can work with.

A pink haired tuf reject who runs a smoothie king franchise is not a promotion to be built upon.

The biggest loss to affliction is not the 10m they are burning in this thing…. it’s the fact that they burned bridges for their brand presence in this “lifestyle” market.

by mmalogic on Oct 5, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo lost to a under card fighter that was 2-2 in his last four fights and was eliminated in the TUF 2 semi finals by Brad Imes. Seth was a whopping 205 1/2 pounds which is a LHW and managed to knock kimbo flat with a jab. I don’t see any way in hell they can try to turn this into a positive. It was a last minute call to have this fight and no kimbo didn’t know anything about Seth. But with that said i don’t think having zero Knowledge about your opponent comes into play within 14 seconds of the first round. walking in and getting caught with a jab and falling on your face is bad no matter how you look at it. The Kimbo Bandwagon is derailed and missing a few wheels. Unless he can pull a Dominating performance against a top tier fighter in his next bout i don’t see how he can ever recover from what took play Saturday night

"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye

by Pitbull on Oct 5, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure about his contract with EXC, but I think the UFC should scoop Seth Petruzelli back up, and then put him as the main event in a Fight Night on Spike, as a big screw you to EXC. It’d be great, especially if Seth loses.

by EnsignFrog on Oct 5, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seth Petruzelli vs Heath Herring be a good comeback fight for Heath and he would beat the hell out of him and make Elite XC and Kimbo look bad plus it hypes up there star brock more since he beat herring

"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye

by Pitbull on Oct 5, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As far as I know...

Seth wants to remain at 205. It was just a matter of convenience that he ended up fighting at heavy last night.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 5, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Kimbo more fights

Now the hype is out of the way, have him fight fighters that is the same level or a little higher level than he is, like Ken Shamrock, to give him more experience. Then in about a year to two years have him rematch Seth. His career is not over. Like what Fedor said, he has the qualities, just give him more fights for experience.

by sure win on Oct 6, 2008 3:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think their best choice would be to put Kimbo vs Shamrock, which Kimbo would likely win (and would rebuild some of his hype). Then put Rogers against Petruzelli, which Rogers would likely win (people who dont know would think “wow, he just beat the guy that beat Kimbo!”). Then have a Kimbo vs Rogers fight. Kimbo wins it makes him look good and if Rogers wins (most likely) he would be recieving some of that hype and they could build him as a star.

by metaldome on Oct 6, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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