EliteXC Kimbo Slice vs. Ken Shamrock Results
via www.sherdog.com
MAIN CARD:
Seth Petruzelli def. Kimbo Slice via TKO at 0:14 in round 1.
Jake Shields def. Paul Daley by submission at 3:47 of round 2.
Andrei Arlovski def. Roy Nelson by KO at 3:14 of round 2.
Gina Carano def. Kelly Kobald by unanimous decision.
Benji Radach def. Murilo Ninja Rua by TKO at 2:31 of round 2.
PRELIMINARY CARD:
Cyborg Santos def. Yoko Takahashi by unanimous decision.
Conor Heun def. Edson Berto by TKO at 2:18 of round 2.
Mikey Gomez def. Lorenzo Borgomeo by submission at 4:06 of round 2.
Bryan Hamade def. David Gomez by submission at 2:03 of round 1.
Nicolae Cury def. Jorge Bouchat by submission at 1:35 of round 1.
One scarcely knows what to say, but it's safe to assume Jeremy Lappen and Jared Shaw didn't get the best night of sleep this past evening. Maybe it's because they couldn't sleep through the noise of a massive bubble popping.
1. In fairness to EliteXC, the event was quite good. Despite some awful refereeing from Troy Waugh in the Arlovski vs. Nelson event, all of the fights were at least entertaining and then some for others. It's a shame EliteXC is now in such peril as it seems they finally got their act together (aside from propping up an over-hyped street fighter) in terms of producing an event with high-level well rounded fighters. None of these fights necessarily portend much for the respective divisions of MMA, but they were far from meaningless throwaway bouts.
2. Nate and I were hanging out last night. He pointed out my opinion on Kimbo has shifted over time and I think he's right. I think I was his first champion in the MMA blogosphere, but somewhere along the line he got too big for my comfort. As an interesting side show or compliment to high level MMA, I found his presence beneficial. He could bring in fans and create for interesting discussion. But EliteXC became too reliant upon him and worked too hard to make him something he wasn't. They pushed him down our throats and tried to double down by saying he was both popular AND legitimate. Ultimately, that turned me off. I don't dislike Kimbo personally. He is who he is and was classy in defeat. But my tolerance for his presence as it's thus far been is officially over. He can still be on the main card if EliteXC survives, but should never be the main event ever again. Ever.
3. I'll say it again just so it's clear: the UFC has no competition.
4. If the traffic on this site is any indication, the ratings for this event are going to be huge. We set all kinds of new records last night, so thank you for coming here and sharing your perspective.
Some further notes on the event after the jump. Put your thoughts in the comments section.
5. Carano is quite talented, but honestly need better competition. With Slice there is little EliteXC could hope for in terms of his talent progression. With Carano, however, she has legitimately improved and now needs a real test. Kobald was tough-ish, but in some cases tailor made for Carano. While Carano's vastly improved takedown defense was a new trick, Kobald's stand-up and wild bullrush style of closing the distance just opened her up over and over again for Carano's overhands and sidesteps. Oh, and Carano needs to be fighting heavier women. Now.
6. The mainstream backlash against Kimbo has already begun. It's hard to imagine a scenario where Slice's loss could've been worse and this loss, fairly or unfairly, is going to legitimize the criticism of every mainstream critic in existence. Just read the tirade here to see what I'm talking about.
7. The commercials of Fedor on CBS are intriguing, but one wonders how much good they'll do. Certainly they can't hurt and were shown enough times to likely spark intrigue, but it's doubtful casual fans will remember who is what between commercials they see now and by the time he fights (likely to be on PPV). Still, though, I never thought I'd see the day.
8. Shields vs. Daley was fantastic and while Daley is terribly underated and possessive of a fantastic sprawl, does anyone believe Shields can hang with Fitch of GSP? Shields reminds me of a much better version of Matt Hughes in some ways. He lords his wrestling and submission prowess over opposition while using his stand-up as nothing more than a conduit for his real strengths. That simply won't work against fighters who can stop his takedown and make him fight on the feet.
9. So, I guess Shamrock actually had a chance after all, huh?
10. Far be it from me to step into family matters, but was anyone else off put by Frank Shamrock's contention that Ken had dishonored the Shamrock name? I agree it's hard to understand why a pioneer of the sport made the amateurish mistake of sparring so near fight time, but it seems awfully harsh for Frank to announce such disappointment in such a public setting.
11. Slice may have another big fight left for him. With Shamrock exiting the way he did and Slice losing the way he did, there can now be a "redemption" match of sorts if EliteXC still wants it. But it's hard to say how likely that is. We need to watch the fallout unfold before we can say how much damage Slice's loss actually caused.
12. Females need to fight 5 minute rounds. Period.
13. Slice had a real shot at legitimacy here and blew it. A win over Petruzelli wouldn't propel him to amazing heights, but it would've silenced a few crtitics. The tagline had always been that if Slice fought any real MMA professional, he'd lose. It turns out the second he does he lost, but a win over Petruzelli would've really helped Slice's narrative and medium-run prospects. He could've shown his talent was coming along and that while Petruzelli was a UFC washout, Slice was clearly a level above that. A story for Slice in that regard would've been hugely beneficial, but he and his handlers blew it. I'm sure the pressure from EliteXC officials to coax Slice into taking the fight was enormous, but only Slice and his management team have themselves to blame for placing Kimbo as the mantle piece for a promotion. He became too big too fail.
14. Brett Rogers would destroy Slice. Debate. Over.
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it does look like Kimbo's wrestling is coming along
perhaps next time he could dispense with the professional and just fight the ref from the get go.
Or perhaps he could just fight someone randomly selected from the crowd. I think there would be an audience for that.
by Kid Nate on Oct 5, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or perhaps he could just fight someone randomly selected from the crowd. I think there would be an audience for that.
They used to do that on the Toughman Competition show sometimes. As I mentioned in another thread, these are the same kinds of people that tune in to see Kimbo the Great Fighter.
by mythbuster on Oct 5, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t underestimate Troy Waugh’s takedown defense.
by Chris Nelson on Oct 5, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He displayed impressive cage-skills and poise in there.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Oct 5, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A real highlight for me was Gus Johnson. He is a real pro.
by szucconi on Oct 5, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that him screaming like a mental patient and calling the main event the biggest fight in the history of MMA?
by Chris Nelson on Oct 5, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but most of the night was good. it was better then the quadros or goldberg or that guy that wanted to touch Gina with his “10 foot pole”. Plus, an argument could be made that it was the biggest fight in history. Iam not making that argument, but it was a largly hyped fight on network TV.
by szucconi on Oct 5, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I wasn’t being sarcastic, I only watched it once and couldn’t tell if it was him or Mauro (aka 10cm Pole). I thought Gus was okay when he wasn’t mangling techniques or patting Mauro on the head for his unbearable hyperbole. Renallo is the real problem though – if they swapped him out for Quadros I think it would be a huge improvement.
by Chris Nelson on Oct 5, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another thing
Touch gloves, fighters. Just do it.
First Ogawa gets clowned by Fedor after not touching gloves, now this. The loss is bad enough to suffer. Don’t add insult to injury by looking like a tough-guy jackass before you get curbed.
by Luke Thomas on Oct 5, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed – but I can do without the high-fiving and the touching gloves AFTER a round.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Oct 5, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
I don’t buy into the fact that everything HAS to be about respect and if fighters aren’t hugging after every fight, giving high fives after every round or every good punching exchange. Touch gloves at the ref instructions…leave it at that.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 5, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. While a lot of fighters talk about how they, “don’t have to hate a guy to fight him,” I don’t think being all chummy is helpful. Respect is great – just leave off the admiration.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Oct 6, 2008 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m all for pre-fight hype and intimidation stuff, but touching gloves at the ref – especially against someone in the same position as you (last minute change) – is just common decency.
by mythbuster on Oct 5, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curbed?
Maybe I’ve seen American History X too many times, but was I the only one who thought that using the word “curbed” to descibe a white man beating down a black man was a bit distasteful?
by AnnieAgee on Oct 5, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...you are the only one...
curb stomping is not an exclusively racist activity. And there was nothing racist about the way in which Luke said it. SO thanks for stopping by and trying to stir up a hornet’s nest, but we don’t need any sensational accusations here.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 5, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never Mind, Then
Really, I had no intention on playing the PC Police, I just thought I would point it out. Luke specifically was one of the most outspoken in his criticism of those that he felt were subtlely (or unsubtlely) racist in their writing their opinions on Kimbo. If it’s not a word with racial conotations (unlike lynching, for example) then this is a non-issue and I apologize for bringing it up.
by AnnieAgee on Oct 5, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The man with the colored hair tried to take my baba!
Kimbo looks like a little girl clutching that ref like a doll. Somebody give him his bottle.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich.--Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 5, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Post Fight Interviews
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sfl-flspmmaspec05pnoct05,0,2296029.story
I haven’t watched them yet, so I won’t make a whole new fanpost. But there are videos at that site.
by mythbuster on Oct 5, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
- - I have always said this is a classic problem. It will be months before the next Affliction event.
- - I was thinking the exact same thing about Shields! Even his stance was eerily reminiscent of Hughes. Good thing he is young. He can still tighten up his standup game. Cross training at AKA might help. It works for Melendez….kinda.
- - I think Frank was setting up the fight between with Ken here. Although hearing Frank offered to take the fight in Ken’s place seems to say he actually felt that way.
by zeroword on Oct 5, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They changed the numbering on my bullets! Should have previewed it first! Well my first point was in response to #7 in case that is too vague.
by zeroword on Oct 5, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a painful experince to watch the MMA-Rated interview with Jared Shaw – as distressed as a beached whale.
Ouch
by ununkvadrium on Oct 5, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you can’t take down the ref then what the hell is bas rutten teaching you??? come on kimbo double leg on the ref shouldn’t be that hard haha Kimbo is finished
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
by Pitbull on Oct 5, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really horrible technique
displayed in that picture. With a double leg takedown you want to get your hips down by (or below) the target’s knees and drive UP and THROUGH the torso with your shoulders, while simultaneously sweeping the legs to your head-side so you can finish in side control. Kimbo’s hips are all the way up at the ref’s hips, which means the ref can easily throw a cross-face/whizzer combination on him, sprawl and have him flat on his chest in about three seconds, regardless of the cage.
I mean, he’s just been KTFO, but that’s still middle-school level technique there.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Oct 5, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone happen to get a shot of Shaw screaming at the ref cageside at the end of the fight? You could definitely see the fear in his eyes. Lappan looked like his meds kicked in.
by Kel on Oct 6, 2008 7:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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