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Gina Carano and the Power of Women's MMA

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Dave Meltzer maps out a potential future of what women's MMA could become - based on where it's been - with Gina Carano at the helm. To wit:

For UFC, the key to a women’s division at first would be Carano, and her contract situation is unclear with the Elite XC bankruptcy. But if she is available, it is not at all far-fetched she could become the biggest mainstream star in the sport, and become MMA’s answer to Danica Patrick.

Carano fought at 140 in Elite XC, and given her issues with making that number, it would be safer to use her in a 145-pound weight class. There are plenty of women who can fight at that weight, including former Elite XC fighters such as Santos, Young, Tonya Evinger, Kedzie, Kelly Kobold and non-Elite XC fighters such as Meisha Tate and Elaina Maxwell who are all well-trained and skilled fighters.

Osborne said there is actually far more depth at 125 and 135, noting people such as Sarah Kaufman (who Elite XC was using at 140), Tara LaRosa, Marloes Coenen, Rosi Sexton and Megumi Fujii, who are complete unknowns to anyone but the most hardcore fans. He believes there are 30-40 genuine quality women fighters today in those divisions.

There were women’s fights on all three of Elite XC’s shows on CBS. While the idea of MMA on CBS garnered the expected negative reaction from people who mostly had little or no understanding of the sport, there was virtually nothing negative written either before or after about the Carano vs. Kaitlin Young match.

And Young had massive swelling on her face, so the lightning rod of a women’s face being banged up from a fight, held live on CBS with millions watching, caused none of the feared outrage.

As far as the public not wanting to see women fight, the evidence couldn’t contradict the notion more. There have only been five MMA matches in history that have gained one million new viewers to a television show from the previous match. Two of them have been Carano’s two fights on CBS.

Based on minute-by-minute ratings and the increase from the prior match on the show, the largest-ever gain of new viewers for any MMA match on U.S. television was the Oct. 4 Carano vs. Kelly Kobold match. It gained 1,643,000 new viewers, growing the audience from 3.6 million to 5.2 million. Not shockingly, it gained 69 percent in males 18-34.

Most UFC television shows, in total, don’t even have 1,643,000 viewers.

Dana White has heretofore exercised smart, level headed judgment in making the UFC palatable to a new generation of sports fans, but he may very well be cutting off his nose to spite his face by excluding women from the UFC or WEC.

One argument MMA fans make about the reach and popularity of MMA is that the numbers don't lie. The UFC's live gates break records, the UFC's PPV business sets records and the television ratings of EliteXC and MMA on television routinely beat out traditional sports in coveted demographics. The same argument, by extension, applies to women. Their numbers do not lie and in a set of capable hands, the numbers about their worth and value added to a promotion that can properly use them simply would not lie.

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Kedzie, it should be noted, is not best suited for 145lbs, but whatever. Still a good article.

by Luke Thomas on Oct 31, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOMENS MMA

LUKE. this is a matter that i brought up on gina’s thread yesterday. it’s not that there isnt enough good female fighters, there just isnt enough of them that are the same size or in the same weight class. carano and cyborg look like they walk around at about 170 when not training, and these other girls mentioned (along with michelle waterson) probably would have to eat bacon wrapped chocolate cake to even make 145. i can remeber whem womens boxing became a fad. christy martin could actually throw combinations and people were awed. the fights came off as very exciting at 1rst b/c the talent level was not that high and the ladies didnt have the power to ko each other, so in essence you had tough-women contests. that passed and then you had laila ali come onto the scene and she had some ok skills but mainly got popular over her last name and the fact that she wasnt ugly. now that she has retired, womens boxing is hardly spoke of (not much different from mens boxing in the states). another reason i think alot of guys dont like womens mma is the same reason they dont like the wnba,( or womens football or baseball, if there is such a thing) is that they dont want to watch somone they think they could beat. the girls in the wnba cant finish a lay-up and womens mma is kind of in the same boat .if gina carano was not as pretty as she is, would anyone have cared or even acknowleged womens mma? i doubt it.

by bdw on Oct 31, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

another reason i think alot of guys dont like womens mma is the same reason they dont like the wnba,( or womens football or baseball, if there is such a thing) is that they dont want to watch somone they think they could beat.

There may be some validity to that. But I’m not sure most men who watch mma think that they can beat Gina Carano. She’d kick my ass, I know that. And pretty much everybody I’ve ever watched one of her fights with knows she could kick theirs, too.

by Kierkegaard on Oct 31, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GINA.

id let her kick my ass., but i would be trying to cop a feel whilst letting her.

by bdw on Oct 31, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soemone they think they can beat?

I wouldn’t be surprised if I could beat Travis Lutter and I sure as hell don’t want to watch him fight, so maybe you have a point.

by asa on Nov 1, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Megumi Fujii

I’d say she’s one of the better pound-for-pound fighters in the world.

by KneeToTheFace on Oct 31, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve said in the past that there is no room in the UFC for an additional division. But I really hadn’t given much consideration to the possibility that WEC could absolutely benefit from the addition of a women’s division. Cards featuring any combination of Carano, Faber and Torres? Money in the bank. It could certainly assist Zuffa in their desire to do WEC PPV’s at some point. Could be huge..

by Blackout612 on Oct 31, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

UFC is likely maxed out, but there is plenty of real estate in the WEC.

by Luke Thomas on Oct 31, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WEC...

is the best option. They don’t hold cards as often as the UFC so you don’t have to find ways to get female fights on every single month, just once every 2-3 months so you can really feature someone like Gina on a fairly regular basis.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 31, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One argument against this would be that, while its clear Carano is a superior draw, its not at all clear that other women are or could be draws on the same level. That wouldn’t be an issue if not for the fact that Carano has a lot of options, and it isn’t hard to imagine that she might be better served moving on from fighting into other things. What happens if the UFC puts together those divisions, and Carano retires in 2010?

As Blackout612 says, the WEC might be well better off adding women’s divisions. While they’d be much more at risk of losing Carano, it would also be a lot less damaging for them to do so.

by Michaelthebox on Oct 31, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But there are others who are already making a name for themselves. Kedzie is a bit of a draw, Michelle Waterson is on the come up, Cyborg is making waves, Erin Toughill could do quite well, etc. What we are discovering is that Gina is far ahead of the pack, but with the Zuffa marketing machine behind them new women could become fairly big stars.

by Luke Thomas on Oct 31, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D. White commented on this issue in USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/2008-10-29-mma-prime-time_N.htm). He’s much more amenable to the topic than in years past.

Fundamentally, this issue revolves around whether people want to take the time and have the long-term vision to build a women’s division of 2 or 3 weight classes. If people don’t want that, then the ongoing excuse will be that Carano is the only star now, and there’s not enough in her cohort to have a division, so squash it.

What makes the UFC different from most other MMA organizations is they have vision; they plan and act for the long-term, and have to resources to take some losses now for future profits. Those who truly support women’s MMA will see that featuring women now (perhaps not in a fully built division) would build a popular division over time. Women’s MMA appears to be more appealing than women’s boxing for the mainstream. I believe with the UFC hype machine, in addition to Carano, Santos, and LaRosa, fighters like Felice Herrig, Michelle Waterson, Rosi Sexton, and Lana Stefanac could become quick UFC stars and be the catalysts for a more stocked division 5 years from now.

by dmayeda on Oct 31, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with the sentiment that Zuffa should start promoting women in the WEC first. It would give them a smaller stage to develop talent and solidify what weight classes they want to use. Once they establish a thriving women’s division in the WEC they can transfer the top girls over to the UFC.

It’ll be a lot easier to work out all the kinks outside of the glare of the UFC spotlight.

by Andy R on Oct 31, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Seems like a lot of people are devaluing the WEC product by considering it a minor league, of sorts. It’s not. They’ve taken further steps in proving that by eliminating the 185 and 205 divisions. I think the women’s division should be placed in the WEC and kept there. They space out their cards sufficiently, get pretty good ratings as is (which will be helped by women’s MMA more than the UFC would) and have a great product that would mesh better with the addition of that division than the UFC would. I don’t see any women’s MMA on mainstream UFC cards. There’s just no room. I love Carano, but I don’t want to see less on-air fights of up-and-comers, say, at 185, because there are women fighting on a UFC card.

by Blackout612 on Oct 31, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Women in the WEC also gives another thing to distinguish it from the UFC which might help people to start thinking of the WEC as a sister organization not a minor league feeder(which it isn’t).

by who me on Oct 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The WEC might not be a minor league, but it’s not as popular as the UFC. It would be easier to develop a solid group of women’s divisions under the WEC banner because the WEC audience is comprised of fans who are a little more serious about mma. Therefore, the audience will be more interested in watching prospects develop.

I have no problem with Zuffa promoting women in the WEC only. I just think starting in the UFC would be a mistake.

by Andy R on Oct 31, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woman MMA will never be in the UFC…

WEC – maybe.

by mmalogic on Oct 31, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I speak for a lot of level headed MMA fans when I say I’m cool with women not being in the UFC, but being in the WEC. It just seems strange Zuffa would balk at the opportunity to own the space.

by Luke Thomas on Oct 31, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think with time Dana wil pull the trigger on this…I mean he has stated pubically that Gina Carano is a star…so he has had to have thought about it at some point.

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Oct 31, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and I heart Michelle Waterson..

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Oct 31, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Each time I’ve watched Gina “Conviction” Carano fight on Elite XC I have been extremely impressed and entertained. In a word she is SKILLED ! She is without a doubt a superstar and anyone who is a fan of martial arts should be able to see that she’s a natural fighter. Her next fight, if it ever happends, will definitley be worth watching. It’s beyond me why Zuffa would not want to promote her fight against Cris Cyborg. Carano should be recognized and promoted for who she is, one of the best fighters in the world in her class. Doesn’t Dana White and the UFC claim to host the best fighters in the world ? I don’t care if she’s a woman, she’s damn good at Thai striking/kicking and puts on an exciting show EVERY SINGLE TIME and I want to see Conviction vs Cyborg just as much as Couture and Lesnar !

by mikus on Nov 9, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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