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It's Never Too Early to Get Cised for Torres

Is Miguel Torres the best, pound for pound fighter in the world?  At the age of 27 he sit atop his much unheralded and under recognized weight class.  He has defeated every opponent he has fought and has finished 80% of his fights.  He has not gone to a decision in three years.  Over his career he has regularly fought much heavier opponents. Opponents weighing as much as 205lbs.  His only blemish on an otherwise remarkable record was a decision loss to Ryan Ackerman.  A loss that was avenged two years later by finishing Ackerman in the first round by armbar.  Sure Torres is great, but is his track record a who’s who of nobodies? Not exactly, but he could use a clearer path to top competition.  That’s what the WEC brings to the lighter weights in the states.  Torres has been a force to this point, but there is still much to prove.  How much further does Torres have to go to be crowned the best?  How can someone end his run as a powerhouse bantam? What exactly is a bantam?  All this and more, after the jump.

Star-divide

 

The first Ackerman fight is an example of how, I think, one can manage to beat Torres, but it is still no easy task.  Ackerman, put on a display of top control and positional dominance and defended submission after submission.  Torres displayed why a guard pulling mentality brought from BJJ class can lead to losses in the MMA ring.  Ackerman refused to be submitted and had enough in his gas tank to stay in control and win a close decision (29-28 X3).  It may seem like I am harping on a close loss from almost five years ago and not really making my case for Torres, but I think you can learn much more from fighter losses then from any number of wins.

 

Its important to have a firm grasp on a fighters weakness before calling them the best.  One of Torres’ biggest assets is his aggressiveness, but it can lead to sloppiness and loss of position.  Watching his more recent fights you can see it still exists, but not to the same extent.  The glaring weakness in his competition is also another barrier to calling him the best.  Being in the states puts him half a world away from some of the best lower weight class fighters.  At 135lbs fighters aren’t exactly headlining and raking in the dough.  The water is muddy in the US and JP because there is little incentive to travel for the lower weights because the hype is not there for the fights to happen.  There is little excitement as compared to Liddell/Wandy.  Torres said in an interview after UFC 90 that he was offered $500 to fight in Japan and that didn’t include a flight for a corner man (see the interview in an earlier BE post).  Now with Torres calling the WEC home there is enough infrastructure to make this high level fights happen, but only time will tell.  So far so good though, Torres has put away all comers since his WEC coming out party versus Jeff Bedard.  Needing less then a round to put away the cardio king and top control master Chase Beebe.  Then putting on a dominating performance against Yoshiro Maeda.

 

Torres is slated to take on Manny Tapia December 5th and I couldn’t be more excited.  Tapia was scheduled for a title shot over a year ago, but was sidelined with a knee injury.  He renewed his quest for the title with a split decision win over Antonio Banuelos.  He brings in an impressive ten wins and one draw record, but has his work cut out for him with Torres.

 

So if Torres the greatest? Maybe.  But his lack of a steady diet of competition raises some questions.  I think he has the skills to set himself apart, but that is very different then laying his division to waste and standing unchallenged and undisputed as the best of the best.  I think he is on the short list and looking to make the list even shorter with a few more key wins over some more diverse competition.  Consistently being matched up with fighters of the same size might put the spotlight on his skill as a fighter. 

 

See Torres in his only lose, five years ago.

Ryan Ackerman vs. Miguel Torres

 

 

As I was typing this up Tracy Lee of CombatLifestyle send me a message about her blog.  She spent a few days with Torres leading up to UFC 90.  Check it

 

Also a Bantam is a real thing.

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Great job..

I’m a huge Torres fan and absolutely cannot wait for his fight with Tapia. The Maeda fight immediately made it onto my top ten fights of all time list. Between Faber and Torres, the WEC has two superstars of their respective weight classes that deliver, without fail, every time they step into the octagon.

Again, excellent job..

by Blackout612 on Oct 30, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re doing good work here, Steve.

by Brett Jones on Oct 30, 2008 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone find it funny that according to the weight classes a feather is actually heavier than the bird it is on.

by Sam Cupitt on Oct 31, 2008 3:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Torres p4p

I have to agree 100%. Between him and Faber they have cosistently been underestimated and not given their dues. An excellent article sir

by fightfan942 on Nov 2, 2008 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Was this fight at 145?

Ackerman is listed as a featherweight. If it was a weight class up then the loss isn’t very meaningful. He lost on being outwrestled and that can happen to anyone fighting someone bigger than them. That won’t happen in the WEC.
Also if that were a 5 round fight I wonder if Torres would have pulled off a sub.

by EazyEismydad on Nov 2, 2008 7:52 AM EST reply actions  

This fight was at 135. at least thats what it said in the opening.

by szucconi on Nov 2, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

From what i have seen, Torres cuts more to make 135 than Faber does to make 145. Faber cant really move up to 155 because he isnt big enough to compete with the huge guys in that weight class.

I think they are pretty close to the same weight, with Faber a tad bit bigger.

(disclaimer: this is an unresearched post based on my spotty memory)

by iiowyn on Nov 2, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I sux at maff, but 154 – 145 = and 158 – 145 = 13

I think

by mythbuster on Nov 4, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

shud b a 9 in dere after de first =

by mythbuster on Nov 4, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Faber: Usually weighs 154, fights at 145 = cuts 9 pounds.
Faber: If he has a big meal weighs 158, fights at 145 = cuts 13 pounds.

Torres: Usually weighs 145, fights at 135 = cuts 10 pounds.

So Faber usually cuts 9 pounds to Torres’ 10 pounds (or one fewer than Torres). If Faber has a big meal he cuts 13 pounds to Torres’ 10 pounds (or three more pounds).

Where was Brett’s math wrong? Seems exactly right on to me.

by Kierkegaard on Nov 5, 2008 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he just misunderstood what I was saying. All three of us are correct, we just said it in different ways.

For example, you actually made everything perfectly clear.

by Brett Jones on Nov 5, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

according to http://www.combatlifestyle.com/words/gdetail.php?id=117:
Torres weighed 155 six weeks before his fight tomorrow.

by iiowyn on Nov 4, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Brain fart…but the six weeks was still correct! Torres is really tall and lean, reminds me a lot of A. Silva’s body type.

by iiowyn on Nov 4, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure

You can tell it isn’t easy for him to carry weight around, looking at the way he’s built. He could probably eat Crisco for a month and not break 160.

by Blackout612 on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Torres noted that he needs to wait for his metabolism to slow down to even think of 155. He can’t keep any weight on when he does cardio.

by bigweeze on Nov 4, 2008 2:01 AM EST reply actions  

I’m crying him a river over here…

I don’t want him to fight at 155lbs. Not ever. Even though he and BJ are my absolute two favorite fighters, I don’t want it to happen.

And why would he fight anyone else in the division? Sherk would squash him for the entire fight, as would the rest of the wrestling crew at lightweight. Other guys, like Florian, Huerta, Stevenson, et al would be interesting fights, sure, but size issue aside, it’s not like Torres couldn’t have fights of similar style that wind up being far more entertaining at Bantamweight or even Featherweight.

I hope Torres clears out his division first. Not because I think he has anything to prove. Aside from beating Brian Bowles, he doesn’t. But really, his fights are so damn entertaining at 135lbs. that I think it would be foolish to mess with such a good thing until absolutely necessary.

And then he can go smash Urijah Faber at 145lbs.

by Brett Jones on Nov 5, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Money and exposure are better at 155.

Sadly the heavier weights seem to be more popular in general, despite how much more exciting I find the smaller weights to be.

by iiowyn on Nov 5, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

nice!

great write-up on Torres! That video was great, you really see how Ackerman dominated, especially in the 2nd round when he got the mount.

by Fluke on Nov 8, 2008 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

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