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Bloody Elbow October MMA Meta-Rankings: Welterweight

Fighter PointsPromotionLast Rank
1. Georges St. Pierre 425 UFC 1
2. Thiago Alves 395
UFC
3
3. Jon Fitch 389 UFC 2
4. Josh Koscheck 360
UFC
4
5. Jake Shields 342
EliteXC
5
6.  Diego Sanchez 330
UFC
6
7. Matt Hughes 311
UFC
7
8. Carlos Condit 274
WEC
8
9. Karo Parisyan 254
UFC 10
10. Matt Serra 233 UFC
9
11. Mike Swick 151
UFC
12
12.  Nick Thompson 132
EliteXC/WVR
11
13. Brock Larson 103
WEC
13
13. Yoshiyuki Yoshida 103
UFC
14
15. Marcus Davis 95
UFC
18
16. Chris Wilson 95
UFC
16
17. Dan Hardy 93
UFC
22
18. Hayato Sakurai 79
DREAM
17
19. Nick Diaz 68
EliteXC/?
20
19. Jay Hieron 68
Affliction
21
21. Akihiro Gono 67
UFC
15
22. Dustin Hazelett 66
UFC
23
23. Mike Pyle 57
Affliction
NR
24. Chris Lytle
54
UFC
25
25. Brad Blackburn 47
UFC
25

Unlike the other charts so far this month, the welterweights were compiled AFTER the most recent UFC events. That means #2 Thiago Alves' win over #4 Josh Koscheck, #17 Dan Hardy's split decision over #21 Akihiro Gono, and #15 Marcus Davis and #24 Chris Lytle's wins at UFC 89 are all accounted for. 

As long as Koschek beats #13 Yoshiyuki Yoshida at Ultimate Fight Night  16 "Fight for the Troops" I think he'll hold fairly steady at the rankings. There's no shame in losing by decision to the #2 guy in the division.

As for Gono and Hardy, I must say for the record that I'm with the judge who scored the fight for Gono. Hardy fought a classic "Bisping" win on points fight but never went for a knockout or even came close. Gono was scoring on the feet and got several takedowns, ramping up his attacks as the fight came to a close. But it is what it is and Gono lost. Davis and Lytle seem to be headed for a collision that will likely knock the loser out of the rankings.

No word on what's next for #3 Jon Fitch, #6 Diego Sanchez or #9 Karo Parisyan. #7 Matt Hughes and #10 Matt Serra are expected to finally fight early in 2009. #11 Mike Swick gets Jonathan Goulet at "Fight for the Troops."

WEC Champ #8 Carlos Condit will defend against #13 Brock Larson at some point in early 2009.

#5 Jake Shields is in limbo due to the EliteXC collapse but could be headed to the UFC. #19 Nick Diaz plans to fight in Japan for New Years but no word on for whom, DREAM or SENGOKU.

Richard has added some very cool charts, including the standings of each fighter in the top 25 against top 10 and top 25 competition. Thanks Richard!

NOTE: The Meta-Rankings are not the subjective opinion of the BloodyElbow team, but rather a compilation of the rankings of over twenty leading MMA web sites. It is our opinion that these are the most informative MMA rankings anywhere.

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Based on the premise that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink. instead of putting up our own subjective fighter rankings, we compile and average the rankings of every source we could find online.

The goal is to show how the MMA community rates the fighters, not to bore you with our opinions.

Be sure and look at the points, they're a much more telling number than the ranking. There's clearly a huge gulf between the top 9 fighters and those that follow.

A total of 45 fighters were ranked in the top 25 by one source or another, for reasons of sanity I only track the top 25 (26 due to a tie) most highly rated fighters.

25 points are awarded for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. Fuller explanation below.

Rankings were compiled from the following sites: MMA-ELO, FightMatrix, HDNet/InsideMMA, MMA/VT, Total-MMA, Fight Magazine, FCFighter, MMA Playground, Houston Chronicle Brawl Sports, MMA Ratings, Fighters.com, MMA Fighting, TAGG Radio, 411 Mania, MMA Weekly, Sherdog, and CagePotato

The normalization scheme as explained by JCS of FightMatrix  is here:

The "normalization number" (new name) would be:

120
divided by
(Total Fighters Found in Any List minus 10)

Every fighter found somewhere else, but on a Top 10 list would be assigned this number.

The "normalization" number would not apply to a fighter not found on a Top 25 list. They would simply get 0.

So the process would be:

Do all of the Top 25 lists first, #1 = 25, #2 = 24…. #24 = 2, #25 = 1
Do all of the Top 10 lists, same scoring structure.. stops at #10 = 16

Figure out that normalization variable.

Fill in the normalization variable to all fighters not found in the Top 10 lists, but found elsewhere.

Do your totals and rank.

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there is no way kocsheck is going to be able to fight so soon is there?

by dbcb on Oct 29, 2008 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

it depends on the Illinois boxing commish

if they don’t hit him with a suspension he should be able to.

by Kid Nate on Oct 29, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe there is missing for GSP vs top 25 and it should be 7-1
-Jon Fitch (W)
-Matt Serra (W)
-Matt Hughes (W)
-Josh Koscheck (W)
-Matt Serra (L)
-Matt Hughes (W)
-BJ Penn (W)
-Sean Sherk (W) Since Nov. 2005

by Anty57 on Oct 29, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Neither Penn nor Sherk are in the Top 25 at Welterweight.

by Richard Wade on Oct 29, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That time they were on top 10 at WW then they dropped to LW

by Anty57 on Oct 29, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The records refer to the current top 25 and top 10.

by Richard Wade on Oct 29, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wins and losses against the current top 25/10 over the last three years.

by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. St-Pierre
2. Serra
3. Fitch
4. Alves
5. Hughes
6. Koscheck
7. Sanchez
8. Parisyan
9. Shields
10. Condit

by klown on Oct 30, 2008 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Notes
  • Serra is #2 because he is 1-1 with the top-ranked GSP. If people think he’s ranked too high, let’s be patient and await the outcome of Serra-Hughes. If Hughes wins, Serra will be knocked out of the Top 5. Another loss or 2 will remove from the rankings. But if he wins, he stays in the Top 5.
  • Fitch has defeated Alves, and decisively. He must be ranked above Alves. Since the top 2 contenders have had title shots, it’s now the turn of Contender #3.
  • Shields has never fought any of the Top 8, so he can’t be compared to them. I hope he joins the UFC and begins facing the top competition.

by klown on Oct 30, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shields is too high

like klown said, he hasn’t fought anyone of note. Wait till he gets in with some really competition (hopefully in the UFC) and we will see where he is at.

I think Jake as the skills to be a strong WW, but he hasn’t been battle tested and grown accordingly.

by Razreshat on Oct 30, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah shields has passed every test he's been given

but its time for the man to get into the UFC. I honestly don’t see him beating Sanchez, Fitch or Alves much less GSP. Karo vs Shields would be a war.

by Kid Nate on Oct 30, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, my first reaction was, Koschek should have dropped some. Then I looked at who is behind him, and he is clearly better, imo.

I love Serra, but I don;t think he should be any higher.

Alves definitely should get the next shot after BJ, barring any setback.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Oct 30, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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