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Robbie Lawler's Manager Thinks He Can Get EliteXC Champ Out of Contract Quick

Robbie LawlerRobbie Lawler manager Monte Cox thinks he's got an escape hatch for his fighter, from Sherdog:

Cox filed a breach of contract notice last Wednesday with Pro Elite -- parent company to EliteXC, Icon Sport and Cage Rage -- prior to the company’s pending bankruptcy filing and the closing of its Los Angeles offices on Friday. Cox said the letter was received by Jeremy Lappen, head of fighter operations for EliteXC, and passed on to the appropriate parties.

"There’s a warranty clause in the contract that you can challenge if they have enough money to fulfill the contract," Cox said. "Obviously, right now, they do not. I notified them of what I considered to be breach of contract and they have 30 days to respond. They have to prove they can fulfill it or we’re a free agent."

Some comments on Lawler's blog have some thinking the middleweight might be headed back to the UFC (HT MMA Mania):

"As everyone knows Elite XC is no longer around. I enjoyed my time working for them and I was treated really well. Thank you to everyone at Proelite for the opportunity to fight in front of millions of fans. Last week I spent at the UFC with Matt Hughes. The atmosphere was awesome as usual. I spent time talking to Monte Cox about what my options are. I also had a brief conversation with the very busy prez of the UFC. All that said I think I will be just fine. I will blog when i sign with an organization. Until then I will keep my self in good shape."

But manager Monte Cox spills some cold water on that:

But before visions of Lawler and yet-to-be-tested UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva trading leather-wrapped gifts between each other start to dance through fans’ heads, Cox said he had no talks, informal or otherwise, with UFC matchmaker Joe Silva over the weekend due to time restrictions. Though the pair have a strong working relationship, Cox is mindful that the UFC might not want to pay Lawler’s price tag, which was $100,000 for his July win over Scott Smith, not including the $80,000 Lawler received in sponsorship monies.

"Unfortunately -- and I don’t know if this is the case or not -- the UFC has tons of stars," said Cox. "There are a lot of organizations that don’t have any stars. A guy like Lawler might be worth a lot more money to someone else other than the UFC. It’s supply and demand."

Cox said a Japanese associate has reached out to the nation’s two upper-echelon promotions –- Fighting and Entertainment Group’s Dream and World Victory Road’s Sengoku. Stateside, Affliction Entertainment was also named as a possibility. Cox said salary numbers wouldn’t be discussed until EliteXC gets its 30 days to reply.

Honestly, I'd like to see Lawler in DREAM or WVR just as much as the UFC. Lawler vs Gegard Mousasi, Jacare or a rematch with Mayhem Miller would be fine. So would Lawler vs Kazuo Misaki, Kazuhiro Nakamura, Jorge Santiago, Siyar Bahadurzada, or even a rematch with Frank Trigg.

Strikeforce could be fun too. Would be fun to see if Lawler's aggressive boxing/wrestling style could handle Cung Le or Frank Shamrock.

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It makes sense...

Why not be a big fish in a little pond rather than a little fish in a big pond?

If he’s good, he stands to make far money in the UFC in the long run. However, Cox and he knows that the chances of winning better than 50% against the UFC elite is slim. Take the easy money elsewhere.

by cyph on Oct 28, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

The Melvin Guillard Theory

Can’t find the story, but was a while back where Guillard was saying he wanted to be a champion, he just didn’t care where. We beat him up a bit because of the lack of a “to be the man, you have to beat the man” thing, and instead he would take a Lego belt – as long as it’s a belt.

by mythbuster on Oct 28, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i like the idea of a Lawler-Cung le fight. I don’t think the UFC will pay him 100,000 a fight. Wherever he goes i think they’ll be interesting fights no matter what.

by asmiley420 on Oct 28, 2008 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Would love to see him back in the UFC. I don’t see 100k+ per fight, and I don’t see a match against Silva either (consider Lawler vs Smith I was a close fight until the eye poke stoppage).

by mythbuster on Oct 28, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I would also like to see him in the UFC again, just to see how much he’s actually improved since his first go around. But I wouldn’t mind seeing him in Japan either.

by pud333 on Oct 28, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should take a trip over to Fightmetric

…if you think Lawler vs Smith 1 was as close as it seemed.

by EazyEismydad on Oct 28, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you watch the fight?

by mythbuster on Oct 28, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. It was entertaining and exciting, but Lawler was getting the better of the exchanges.

by EazyEismydad on Oct 28, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was stopped in the third round, and judges had it tied after two. I think it was “as close as it seemed”.

by mythbuster on Oct 28, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lawler vs. Manhoef is something I could see myself paying for

by drano1 on Oct 28, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The real question is what organization at this moment is willing to pay that type of salary?

When the climate is such where Summer Redstone may have to sell CBS, or Viacom it may be prudent for fighters to go where you know you’ll get paid.

Why isn’t adrenaline mentioned as one possible suitor for Lawler??? Oh right….

by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point but what promotions can say that they have plans after their next show

by drano1 on Oct 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not the best time to be an unemployed MMA fighter. Or just plain unemployed for that matter.

by pud333 on Oct 28, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adrenaline is owned by Monte Cox

So Lawler could fight freelance events for them whenever he wanted to. Assuming they put on a show at some point.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Oct 28, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my point…

he signed sylvia to a “lucrative” deal in adrenaline and has yet to give him a fight.

by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a smart move by cox to claim breach of contract.

Hopefully he is able to get some of the fighters out of the inevitable mess that will come when they declare bankruptcy or CBS/Showtime starts grabbing/selling assets.

by Phildo on Oct 28, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

this is stretch...

… and he’s not the most charismatic guy in the world, but i wouldnt mind seeing him coach against bisping on the next TUF season. would be an interesting fight.

by woooburn on Oct 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The flip side...

to the arguement that the UFC wouldn’t pay him his asking price is the question of what other org could afford to even if they wanted to?

Everyone and their brother that is just looking for a payout is signing with Affliction, but until that org puts together another card its just ink on paper.

Frankly, his best chance at solid money is in the UFC, especially because training team has good ties there.

by Razreshat on Oct 28, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

And also

I would think sponsorship money would be more plentiful in the UFC than anywhere else.

by mythbuster on Oct 28, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly think about how much he probably pays for his training camp and for the organization to just flop before he fought or got paid I’d say the UFC is the safest bet

by drano1 on Oct 28, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s always been a real issue, but I bet more fighters will be paying more attention to it in the future.

Everyone on the UFC 90 card got paid more than the people who were supposed to fight for Elite on the November Card, who all probably had started incurring expenses for training camp.

No one should be looking to sign long term deals with people who can’t guarantee they’re going to put on shows.

by Phildo on Oct 28, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see Robbie back in the UFC.

http://mma4real.net/

by Tha Realness on Oct 28, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

win or lose he is usually involved in great fights.

"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am." - Ron Burgundy

by monkeyfightclub! on Oct 28, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who has affliction signed after their first show?

No one of note…

Before their first show they thought they were going to do a minimum of 250k buys… almost jeremy Lappen type stupid.

After the first show now all their do is press conferences.

CBS and Showtime running their own mma promotion is out of the question as I originally speculated…

If they decide they still want MMA programming whichever org takes the deal is swimming upstream (creating stars and fans for the UFC as I’ve written about before).

I wish elite stayed in business for a 2-3 more quarters and people would have seen the outcome as fighter contracts were coming up.

The only way you can compete with the UFC is by competing with them on revenue… other wise you’ve entered a food eating contest without teeth.

Affliction MMA’s biggest revenue source were ticket sales and in this economy the biggest effect to this business are ticket sales.

Affliction in whole’s biggest revenue source is high end apparel… guess what happens to that space in tough economic times?

 

by mmalogic on Oct 28, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

What about the WAMMA

I think WAMMA just might have the best business plan in mma I mean think about it they have the best heavyweight in the world promoting their belt and they didn’t have to pay him a dime. I’ll give until the end of next year before they start promoting their own shows.

by drano1 on Oct 28, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hop your joking.

They have the best HW in the world, but that’s it. They claim they want to crown undisputed champions, but it will take some sort of miracle for them to ever be able to crown an undisputed champion in another division.

They haven’t shown any signs of wanting to promote their own cards, and that’s probably one of the smartest things they’ve done.

“the best heavyweight in the world” doesn’t really mean much if no one knows who he is or has seen him fight.

by Phildo on Oct 28, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you have to admit, that Wamma belt is Wam-tastic! And there’s nothing like three guys with bad hair to display it just right.

http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/other/wamma-heavyweight-belt.jpg

by mythbuster on Oct 28, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t be surprised though I mean think about if/when affliction flops who is gonna promote there belts the UFC won’t go near them and neither will any of the japanese promotions

by drano1 on Oct 28, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

also didn’t affliction just sign Chris Hordecki?

by drano1 on Oct 28, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The UFC isn’t going to pay Lawler $100,000 per fight. It just wouldn’t make sense.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 28, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, I do this every time Lawler comes up on the site, but this time I want to phrase my insult as a question:

If Lawler couldn’t hack it as a welterweight in the UFC back in 2004, what has changed for him since then that people would float him as a challenger in the UFC’s middleweight division? I mean, should I be impressed that he beat Scott Smith, another welterweight UFC drop-out? What’s the deal?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Oct 29, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Smith fought at middleweight in the UFC.

by Richard Wade on Oct 29, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops – sorry about that.

Though it would be MOST correct to say: “Barring his freakish last-possible-second win over Pete ‘Drago?’ Sell, Smith lost at middleweight in the UFC.”

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Oct 29, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

More detailed perhaps, but not necessarily more correct.

by Richard Wade on Oct 29, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also more “asshole-ish.” Or at least , “douchey,” thank you very much.

A little credit where credit’s due wouldn’t kill you.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Oct 30, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

While those are both fine words to describe you, I don’t want to get banned for name-calling. I don’t think the “but it’s true” defense works.

by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

They would SO make an exception.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Oct 31, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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