What's all the fuss about: UFC 90
I actually watched UFC 90 late, and had already read and heard many critical comments about how disappointing a show it was. Naturally, after I had watched it, I was surprised to see that UFC 90 was just like any other UFC I had watched recently. In fact, it was actually more entertaining than many recent shows in the sense that the match ups were all fairly interesting across the board:
Sherk vs. Griffin
I've always said that when you put two PURE wrestlers in the cage together, the fight is usually pretty good. This fight showed that. I find 'baby glove boxing' to be extremely entertaining and that is exactly what this fight was. I will admit, however, that this is not MMA and I really would rather not see an entire fight card with these kind of bouts. By this I simply mean that neither of these guys have what it takes to FINISH a fight. And to finish a fight is what MMA is really all about. They don't have the power to KO nor the skill to submit -- an entertaining fight none the less.
Dos Santos vs. Werdum
Dos Santos is BETTER than Werdum. It is as simple as that. Werdum had his chance to take it to the ground and Dos Santos shook Werdum off like the fat, lazy, slob he looked. 9 out of 10 times Dos Santos wins that fight.
Clementi vs. Maynard
I hate these kinds of fights. I feel the same way about this one that I felt about Danzig/Guida. I have no interest in seeing Maynard fight again. I would like to see Clementi fight Danzig -- that would be an interesting fight. Maynard vs. Guida might not be a bad one either.
Alvez vs. Koschek
This was the most interesting fight of the night. Kos is such a smart fighter and it was a shame to see him go into this fight with the wrong game plan -- and by the time he made the correct adjustments, it was too late. Koschek should have went into this fight the same way he went into the Sanchez fight: keep your distance, use your speed, avoid damage. Instead he went into this fight like he fought Lyttle: shoot in, take him down, do damage, repeat. You can't fight like that against an enormous beast in Thiago. I really would like to see Thiago fight Sanchez. Sanchez is much better in close than Kos is. Sanchez would be a tougher fight for Alvez. Neither are ready for GSP so we might as well watch them fight first.
Cote vs. Silva
I really don't understand all the criticism of either Cote or Silva. And I was actually impressed with Cote. Does he have any chance of beating Silva -- No! But he did frustrate Silva and he has one hell of a chin. It was the chin that was most frustrating for Silva, in my opinion. I mean, we have always seen Silva measure up his opponent before going in for the kill. Because Cote was fighting so defensively, it took a while for Silva to find the opening, and then when he finally found it, Cote's chin proved strong. I really want to see Silva fight a grappler -- Silva is the best striker in the 185 and 205 divisions. The most telling part of Silva/Cote was in the second round when Cote desperately tried to take it to the ground.
This was a standard UFC card, and we actually learned quite a bit about some of the UFC fighters. I knew very little about Alves, and now I feel I know a lot. I still wonder how his BJJ is -- Sanchez will be able to show us that. We learned that Werdum is overrated and that Dos Santos is hungry. We were able to confirm our belief that wresters with no submissions should only be allowed to fight other wrestler. This wasn't a bad card!
Until next month.
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Werdum wasn’t overrated. He got caught by a superior striker. It happens.
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by FlyByKnight on Oct 27, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
100% agree with everything. You dismiss wrestling and position control as borring to much, but that is just me being nit picky. I don’t see what all the fuss is about Cote. He had a smart fight. His game plan was to survive and find a few openings to test Silva’s chin. He didn’t get to wild and expose himself too much.
by szucconi on Oct 27, 2008 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm..
Thought I was going to agree with you coming in, because I watched 90 for the first time this afternoon and I liked it much more than my friends who have already seen it.
Cote landed 16%. End of story, guys. He didn’t do anything to frustrate Silva. Even if he somehow did (read: he didn’t), frustrating someone doesn’t win a fight and it doesn’t get you points. And if you call not getting yourself knocked out frustrating someone, Silva has really twisted that terminology. Silva dominated the two rounds that fight went. He doesn’t have a formal obligation to knock everybody out in the first round. Check Fight Metric for comprehensive statistics on landed blows. Cote was obscenely ineffective and may have suffered brain damage when his leg snapped, because I am befuddled at his comments that he “fucked up” Silva. Wild..
Sherk and Griffin are both world class fighters and I don’t agree with your assessment that what they did isn’t really MMA. It was an excellent fight and both guys deserve a ton of credit. It is true that neither man is much of a finisher, but I would be more likely to watch any card that contains Sherk and now Griffin has increased my intrigue with his abilities. It may be true that he is a younger version of Sherk, and as a Sherk fan, I find that very promising for his future in this sport.
Dos Santos wins 9 out of 10 times? I don’t know about all that.. Not a big Werdum fan, but getting plugged up like that isn’t an inevitability. But really, we don’t know what Cigano is yet— though he looked fluid and his training footage was something fierce.
Anyway, not trying to be too critical (your opinion is as valid as my own), but I do agree that the show outlived implied expectations. It is too bad about Cote’s leg; but I say it was a blessing in disguise that he flew into a glass pane before the Spider finished weaving his web.
by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Silva is a counter fighter, and Cote gave him very little to counter — that was the frustrating part. What about Cote’s chin? It has to be a little frustrating to land bombs with little effect.
Baby Glove Boxing — I think I might have coined that phrase — so apt, isn’t it? Not exactly MMA though.
When you’re a grappler, as Werdum is, you have to capitalize on your oportunities. Werdum had his opportunity and was shrugged off with relative ease — partly due to the fact that he is fat and slow, kinda looked like slow motion. I’m sure he would be fierce in a submmision contest.
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by mma_dude on Oct 28, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silva is a counter fighter, and Cote gave him very little to counter — that was the frustrating part.
He landed 16%. I’d imagine that frustrated him more than anyone. (Silva isn’t going to walk into punches so he might counter them).
And to be fair, I didn’t pay attention during the Werdum fight after having previously seen a .gif of its conclusion.
by Blackout612 on Oct 28, 2008 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“[Sherk vs. Griffin] is not MMA”
I’d like to hear your definition of MMA. Rather than give some sort of answer as to why Sherk v. Griffin wasn’t MMA, please just define MMA for us.
by Richard Wade on Oct 28, 2008 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed. So BJ/Sherk wasn’t mma either I guess.
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by BJJDenver on Oct 28, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed Martial Arts (MMA)
The destruction of an opponent through the deployment of one or several of the Martial Arts.
Neither Sherk nor Griffin are really capable of “destruction”. They might as well have been wearing 12 ounce gloves because no one was getting KO’d.
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by mma_dude on Oct 28, 2008 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, in any fight in which nobody gets “destroyed,” we’re not viewing MMA? I can’t say I agree with your definition.
by Richard Wade on Oct 28, 2008 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The potential for destruction should exist...
A philosophically sound definition of MMA is certainly worth more thought. But my point is, and always has been, that some of the guys in this sport do not possess the skills to finish a fight. This is partly due to the rules and structure of modern MMA competition which has completely deviated from the original, and long standing, conception of MMA going back thousands of years. This is most apparent among wrestlers who can win MMA competitions by simply holding another guy down. With this kind of loophole in scoring, why should a good wrestler have to become a true mixed martial artist?
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by mma_dude on Oct 28, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The potential was there though. The reason the fight stayed on the feet was neither guy had a large enough wrestling advantage to get the fight to the mat. If guys are evenly matched fights are going to go to decision. If there were no time limits somebody would have eventually won. Good fighters are going to be difficult to finish. You expect too much.
by Andy R on Oct 28, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is...
Sherk did actually have an advantage in the wrestling and he used it to score some points. But really it was the BGB that made it interesting. As much as I love hating on Sherk, It would have been nice to see a couple more rounds.
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by mma_dude on Oct 28, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed Martial Arts: The key word being “mixed” — All I saw was some good old fashioned BGB (Baby Glove Boxing), a singular art all it’s own.
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by mma_dude on Oct 28, 2008 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just because they only “Box” doesn’t make it in some way not MMA. they fact that it can go to the ground opens things up and makes it more dangerous to get inside a fighters range when they can shoot. That is why standgate is a big deal. The threat of a take down and other elements of the game change boxing. Its like the diff between BJJ and BJJ with strikes.
by szucconi on Oct 28, 2008 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, I take it back...
The interesting thing about Sherk is that he has gotten more clever since the BJ fight. He is a better wrestler than Griffin and actually used his wrestling to score points. Watch the fight again and pretend that Sherks grappling doesn’t count in the scoring. If you do that then, I think, Griffin gets the win by virtue of the fact that he would win the first round. But my point is that Sherk’s take downs do absolutely no damage, they are only good for scoring points. All original conceptions of MMA are without judges. Why? Because it is impossible to accurately score — how do you value one style over another when all styles were created to kill or disable an opponent in the ABSCENCE of authority.
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by mma_dude on Oct 28, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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