Quote of the Day: Patrick Cote
by Nick Thomas on Oct 26, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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"I proved to everyone that this guy (Silva) is not unbeatable. I think I fucked him up really bad. My gameplan was good and he was scared to exchange with me."
-- Patrick Cote post fight UFC 90 interview (video)
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Cote did take some hard shots. I chalk this statement up to delirium. Yeah…that’s it. He’s still a little loopy.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 26, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. While I think Silva did respect Cote’s punching power, Cote was the one getting tuned up. I think Cote needs to go back and watch those tapes again. Maybe Silva hit him harder than I originally thought if that’s what he believes.
To add, he looks and sounds drunk in the video, so I’d like to see what he says about this later after he’s had some time to think about it.
He is smashed.
Cote was obviously really loaded during this interview. I am guessing pain killers and Canadian Mist. I don’t think making it to the 3rd round is an accomplishment. Thats like thinking your a “Shark Whisperer” because you swam in a tank for 45 seconds with a great white shark that wasn’t hungry.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
I don’t know how else to take it. He proved Silva wasn’t unbeatable… by losing to him. (Even if it really should’ve been a NC.)
by Chris Nelson on Oct 26, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s always bugged me that a freak accident like this, or CC/Barnett, or Shogun/Coleman results in a loss – merde happens, don’t penalize the guy for it.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Oct 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
There was a discussion about what constitues a NC and a TKO, and I didn’t follow it closely, but it seems to me something like that should be a no contest.
I dunno – in the second round Silva really cracked Cote in that leg. If he caused the ligaments to go, he deserves the win.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
I'm against the "no contest"
otherwise a guy could just fake a hamstring injury to get out of a fight he’s losing on the cards. This is also in line with previous decision—such as Diaz vs. Gambaryan which ended in a dislocated shoulder. It’s a crap ending, but it’s the right call. Nobody calls off a football game because a star gets hurt—dem’s the breaks.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
While I agree that faking an injury would be problematic, you can’t really compare one member of a football TEAM getting hurt, to a fighter getting hurt (freak injury, not due to the fight). You would have to say – if the entire team died in a plane crash on the way to a game, would the opposing team get a W, or a NC?
There are no substitutions on MMA :)
Conceded
The analogy isn’t perfect, I just mean that in sports, there are things that happen by chance, and you gotta roll with it. When it blizzards in Green Bay, it ain’t fair for the other team, but they gotta play anyway.
I guess what I’m saying is, it’s a slippery slope when we start calling NCs. Better to just call a TKO when a guy gets beat, even by his own body.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
The closest comparison would be boxing, and Zocalo posted in the UFC90 thread:
b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue
fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a no decision or draw.
That makes sense, but as you said, and I agree, it would be too easily abused right now. And also, while last nights injury was clearly freak, who can claim what constitutes a freak injury on the ground, ya know? So yeah, I guess all in all I agree with you – but I think it’s unfortunate :)
By that logic
It would seem the TKO was appropriate, considering that the bout was in the 3rd of 5 rounds, it would seem if we apply this standard that Silva would have won because he was winning on the judges scorecards.
But if it would have happened in the first minute, yeah, I would probably be advocating for the NC. They probably should clarify this rule, though there’s plenty of other clarifications needed first.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
aaah
took me a minute, I see what you’re saying. 4th round of 12, instead of 5. Got it, and you’re right.
Also...
It is important to note that that rule is for an accidental foul causing an injury. Not an injury in general. Very different situations.
And as I pointed out TWICE last year in MAJOR boxing matches fighters went down with knee injuries (they were not hit and twisted oddly or anything…just knees giving out on them) and they were both wins for the non-injured fighter without it “going to the cards”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 26, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I don’t understand the movement for a no contest at all. Basically the fight was stopped because, due to injury, Cote could no longer continue. Not sure how that is different than not being able to continue due to a cut or getting knocked unconscious.
Yes, I agree
Although in this case, it does appear to be a freak injury, how do we parse between someone getting pushed past his breaking point? It really could get complicated, and we already have enough problems with different judges seeing it a different way.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
Agree, and as someone who has blown out his knee twice and felt that buckle when the meniscus pops, I feel Cote’s pain because it can come out of nowhere. Still, I think the breaking point argument makes a lot of sense and I’m against anything that gives the referees more power to decide the outcome of the fight.
It’s a freak accident vs. a deliberate attack. Frank Mir intentionally broke Sylvia’s arm in a submission; Cyborg panicked and tried to brace himself when he fell and broke his arm.
Now, to confuse things further – consider JZ/Aoki 1 – NC or DQ? I saw DQ because it ended via intentional legal strikes.
I do see what y’all mean by abusing it – intentionality is difficult to determine, and we wouldn’t want fighters to take dives like in soccer.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Oct 26, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
as for the "rematch"
after that comment, fuck him, I’d rather see Franklin get s a 3rd shot, if Rampage can against Wandy – why not.
I really hope
that its a language thing, and he meant that he fucked up Silvas gameplan. Cuz I don’t remember him really even hitting Silva to say he fucked him up.
Strange.
good point
but still….he messed up Silva’s gameplan as far as he got to fool around and make Cote look the fool for 2 rounds and Silva didn’t get enough time to knock him out
If he did mean that he fucked up the gameplan, that could make sense. While I agree with you, that Silva was clowning, the official story from Dana and Silva is that Cote’s strategy did indeed mess with Silvas gameplan, and caused him (Silva) to start doing stuff like that to take Cote out of his game. Or something like that.
Silva was so scared he was working on his dance moves during the fight. He was so scared he offered to help Cote to his feet after they went to the ground.
Sounds about right.
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am." - Ron Burgundy
by monkeyfightclub! on Oct 26, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
Totally petrified
Yeah, I actually saw blood come out of Anderson’s nipples which is a clear sign that the mere idea of him fighting Cote scared his teets.
If Cote really believes that, well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
Exhibit A on why Silva shouldn't have screwed around
It allows a punk to come back and claim some sort of pyrrhic victory. This is why you gotta go all out even against an inferior opponent.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
what a dork
I say that not with contempt, but a chuckle, if you get what I mean.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
I hope...
…it isn’t a language problem. I hope he really feels this way, and continues to talk this way, so Silva has a reason to just destroy him in the rematch. And yes, there will definitely be a rematch.
I know that emotional fighters often make stupid mistakes, but man, I would love to see Silva get angry.
I hope there’s not a rematch. Unless Cote goes on another winning streak and forces it.
by Richard Wade on Oct 26, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope
Don’t make him angry, you won’t like him when he get’s angry. HA HA
Just ask Travis Lutter
Cote was obviously feeling no pain either from pain medication booze or both.
I can see his point though, Silva did not look himself and while “fucked him up” may be overstating Cote’s effect he certainly did put on a good performance in my opinion. Silva didn’t want to stand and trade (for whatever reason) and Cote did as well as expected given his opponent’s actions IMO.
Cote didn’t want to trade then either as by my rough count, they threw a similar number of strikes. Except that most of Silva’s shots were of the power variety.
The big difference was that Cote was the attacker (tho patiently, and not Lebenlike), while Silva was the runner.
OK? He was backing away and still through more and better strikes. Just moving forward doesn’t qualify as being aggressive on its own.
True
but you said above that “they threw a similar number of strikes”, I pointed out that the difference was one guy was throwing while moving forward and being aggressive, the other guy was throwing while backing up and dancing.
My point really is only that, you said that Cote didn’t want to trade. This may be true, but we don’t really know because it was Silva that kept the distance, and Cote trying to get in. It seemed to me that Cote was trying to trade, or at least get in range to start throwing a bomb or two.
I think Cote did want to throw. I think Anderson did too. I was just pointing out that if you’re going to marginalize Silva’s performance as “not wanting to throw,” you should have an explanation for why he threw as many/more strikes than Cote.
Not only did Silva throw, he landed more of the shots. Most of the misses were SIlva fakes that resulted in Cote flinching.
True
Silva also did a great job of not getting hit. The way he avoids punches is flat out amazing. There were a couple thrown by Cote that would have put anderson in trouble had they landed. Same thing against Leben and Franklin. First you have to not get hit by him, then you have to succeed in landing your own. Tough on both counts
Boy i’ve heard more Silva apologist spew nonsense on here than I can even handle, if Anderson was simply toying with Cote then answer me this when was Patrick hurt or stunned or knockdown in this fight?. He wasn’t how can you toy with a guy that won the first round from you and lost a close second?, the delusional apologist need to watch the fight again without their “Spider colored” glasses and see it for what it really was. Silva was thrown off his game by a guy with a great chin that he couldn’t put down, he didn’t want to bang it out with Cote because he might have gotten “Werdumed” it’s as simple as that. Stop making excuses because a guy who didn’t deserve a title like alot of you geniuses claimed made Silva look all too beatable and human, maybe instead of worrying about boxing RJJ and retirement Anderson should worry about Cote because if there is a rematch he won’t luck out with a freak injury.
No matter how much you hate Silva or love Cote, I don’t see how anyone could give either of those first two rounds to Cote.
by Chris Nelson on Oct 27, 2008 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That's because...
there really is no way to do so…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2008 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
There’s a definite possibility Silva did not want to bang with Cote, especially after Cote just wouldn’t go down despite knees to the face and straight punches right down the pipe. Heck, Cote didn’t seem to even flinch at times. But thinking Cote won or was even close to winning during those first two rounds is lunacy. He was basically a punching bag.
Question
How do we know Cote has a great chin? Because Silva kept hitting it. I don’t seem to recall any point in any round where Cote did enough to win the round, unless not getting knocked out counts. It seems to me it was Cote who got smacked the most. I believe another fighter with a “great” chin got the same type of treatment from Silva-I do believe his name is Leben. Cote’s chin didn’t stop a knockout, it was an unfortunate injury that stopped him from going to sleep. Hopefully he fully recovers
“He wasn’t how can you toy with a guy that won the first round from you and lost a close second?, the delusional apologist need to watch the fight again without their "Spider colored" glasses and see it for what it really was.”
LMAO. Are you sure you watched the ANDERSON SILVA/PATRICK COTE 1ST ROUND? Here, let me help you out bro:
http://www.mmalinker.com/xSearch.php?fr=mr&vidid=9656&vidt=i
Thank me later.
There was not
much action in any round, but how could Cote have taken any of them? What did he do to actually win a round
I agree
that Cote showed some toughness hanging in there, but he was never in that fight on the cards nor did he expose anything about Silva. Maybe his “I fucked him up” comment was akin to GSP saying Hughes beat him “squarely fairly.”
Ask the fightlinker guys – they were getting stoned after UFC 90 as well, according to Jake.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
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