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UFC 90 Sunday Morning Musings...

Ok, so the train derailed last night. I won't go so far as to say this was a bad card, but the main event always leaves a lasting impression, and this one wasn't good. UFC has put on some great shows this year, and I can live with the quality of 90, in that respect.

-Silva. I have called for him to retire, but that is just me being a selfish fan. I actually don't want him to even consider it. I do want him to come in and be the pro that he is, and destroy subpar competition. Cote was out of his league and should have been finished early in this fight. Some have called Silva cautious, but in reality, he was bored, clowning and trying to put in a show. He failed. MMA has room for flamboyant, flashy stars, but the respectful, professional is always appreciated.

-Cote. I like Cote, but he is what he is, a very solid, but not contending, fighter. Hanging your hat on getting to the 3rd round with Silva, is not something to brag about. You did absolutely nothing to Silva. Go rehab, keep training hard and get back at it. While I don't see him ever being champ, if Silva is gone to 205 or retires, there isn't any one I wouldn't at least give him a slugger's chance against.

-Alves. What a great fight it would be against GSP. Two large WWs getting after it. I think  we need to see Alves destroy Diego, while GSP battles BJ. Then, whether GSP wins or loses, Alves vs GSP. I do think GSP's superior technical striking, will help keep Alves at a distance and make for a very interesting fight.

-Koscheck. Great athlete with amazing recovery. I expect him to improve every time out, and even in a battering loss, he showed a lot of good things.

-Maynard. Many people think he is the next great LW. I think he almost bored me to death last night.

-Sherk. Not sure if he won, but what a great fight. Two guys whose ground game cancelled the other's out, resulting in 15 minutes of slugging it out. Damn, the LW's are deep and muddled, lol.

-Griffin. See Sherk.

-Werdum. Damn! You just knew this was going to happen. I really wanted Fabricio to be the HW tournament spoiler, but we can forget that for a while.

-Dos Santos. I think this guy maaayyyyyy have some striking power. I'm not going crazy about him, but lets see him vs Kongo.

-Franca/Maximus. Where was the most intriguing match of the night? Why do we not see this fight (or Miller/Horowich) instead of McFedries getting choked and 20 minutes of Rogan and Goldy? This was a perfect opportunity to make up for the main event, and instead they only made it worse.

-Rogan and Goldy. Please shut up. These guys are really starting to grate on me. Please stop describing a turd like it is a bar of gold. Just tell us like it is, we can handle it.

 

High points...Rachelle Leah, Chicago, Sherk and Griffin and Kos and Alves, oh my.

Low points...main event, Maynard and Clementi, lackluster card to an extent.

 

If 89 and 90 were combined, we would have a very nice card. is the UFC getting diluted? Or was it just a hiccup in scheduling/match making?

 

The answer? UFC 91. If this card lives up to its potential, we will forget the low points of the last two weekends.

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Excellent points.

I don’t like how Silva deviated from his normal game plan, and the ending was certainly regrettable. However, I think a lot of people are being way too hard on the dude. I’m a “slippery slope” and “be careful of precedents” kind of guy, but the Spider shouldn’t be raked over the coals like he has been by some. This is not a trend, yet. I don’t forget all the great performances he’s put on before this. I’m not making excuses for him, but it has got to be tough being as good as he is in the context of MMA yet he often plays second fiddle to the Lesnars, Coutures, or Liddells. I think he was just trying to put on a show (a phrase I’m sick of hearing), and it backfired on him.

Alves is a monster, but I think GSP can take him down and beat him up. GSP is a lot bigger than Koscheck and I think he may be the best MMA wrestler.

I’m not a BJJ practitioner, but I love to watch guys with awesome submission skills work the ground. I fear MMA is getting away from it with guys trying to please casual fans by slugging it out in hopes of getting fight of the night. I believe that bonus should be revisited. Maybe split that money up and add it to the win purse for the non-main event fighters. I so want to see Werdum get somebody to the ground and show us his skills. I kind of feel bad for the guy, but it just felt like something strange was in the air before that fight.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 26, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Cannon J.

I personally don’t mean my comments to demean AS. IMO, he deserves more credit and popularity than he is given by UFC fans as a whole. His opponents and their lack of worthiness are out of his control. but that also speaks to my point of just go out there, do your job and beat whoever is in front of you. Unfortunately, i think the pressure to be flashy and sell tickets, may have played into his performance last night, and imo, he is far above that. I would prefer he retire, than resort to that type of fight.

Agree completely about GSP, but I do think that may be the most attractive fight after BJ.

As for BJJ and subs, obviously I am with you. i think my favorite fight this year was Maia/McDonald, a true work of art. Why Werdum didn’t immediately take him down, i have no idea, but it cost him far more than a fight. As for the lack of it in the sport, i think what we are seeing, is to an extent, fighters becoming so well rounded, that it is hard for even a world class grappler to dominate on the ground. I think this is just part of the evolution of the sport. I thought sure Sherk was going to sink in a rnc when he was on the back…

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by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t think your comments did anything to demean Silva. I think the well rounded nature of the fighters probably is part of the reason fights don’t go to the ground as often or as long as they used to. However, the Chris Lytle fight last week comes to mind as one where I believe Lytle had a distinct advantage on the ground, but he didn’t even try to get it there. Of course, he made a lot more money by keeping it standing and getting “fight of the night.” It’s hard to fault him for doing what he did, but I’m afraid there may be more incentive to stand and bang than take the best route to a win. I may be making more of it than there is. I just believe it’s worth taking note of. I don’t have the data, but I would guess that far more “fights of the night” a slugfests as opposed to ones with a lot of groundwork. Giving an incentive for putting on a good fight is probably a well meaning bonus. Sometimes even the most well meaning plans have unintended consequences.

by Cannon Jacques on Oct 26, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t agree more.

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by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fear MMA is getting away from it with guys trying to please casual fans by slugging it out in hopes of getting fight of the night

I have noticed this also. When I started watching, a fight had as good a chance of being a ground or a striking game (or both). Lately, it’s rare to see a match go to the ground for long, and when it does it often becomes a stalemate.

I am not sure it’s all due to trying to please the fans (tho I’m sure it is a part), but other things to consider may be that fighters have become so good at takedown defense, that even novices can often easily thwart a great wrestlers takedown, and on top of that, I believe many non-JJ fighters train in submission defense making it that much harder for a ground game to become anything other than 5 minutes of wasted energy.

by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-Dos Santos. I think this guy maaayyyyyy have some striking power. I’m not going crazy about him, but lets see him vs Kongo.

He’s now 1-0 in the UFC. He needs a loss, and then he’ll be ready for a title shot.

by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lololol. nice.

http://eliotmarshall.com/

by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CONTACT ME ASAP...AGAIN!

I’ve read a lot of your posts…did you know HDNet is based in Denver? We may be hiring additional staff for HDNet Fights and IMMA. Interested? jgalpin@hd.net

by IMMA on Oct 31, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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