Did Anderson Silva Disrespect the Fans and Patrick Cote?
by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Kevin Iole jumps his case:
In a lame attempt at humor, Silva made a mockery of himself, his title and his sport in one of the most bizarre matches in UFC history.
"I think I’m living in an alternate universe," a befuddled UFC president Dana White said, shaking his head. "That was bizarro world."
Silva retained the belt when Cote collapsed in agony 39 seconds into the third round as he went to throw a punch. He later said he aggravated an old knee injury and was heading to the hospital, believing he had damaged the meniscus in his right knee. The near-sellout crowd of 15,359 booed Cote roundly, but it was Silva who really deserved its wrath.
There was no fighting in the match, largely because Silva opted not to fight. On the rare occasions Silva chose to engage, he got far better of the few exchanges.
Steve Cofield jumps in as well:
...the story of the night was Silva (23-4, 8-0 UFC) turning off the crowd by clowning around for the first 10 minutes. Between dancing around the ring, twirling his hands, bowing disrespectfully towards Cote at the end of the first and at one point offering a hand to help Cote off the floor, Silva came off as a big jerk. He went from displaying a Muhammed Ali-like playful aura early in the fight to looking like he was sticking it to the UFC for matching him up against such a longshot.
Iole is presumably in his usual role of Dana White's mouthpiece but Cofield is known as an independent voice.
While I was as bummed as the next guy when Cote's knee blew out, I'm certainly not ready to start hating on Anderson Silva. If Dana White can't find worthy opponents for the "greatest pound-for-pound fighter in the sport" then he shouldn't be surprised when things go awry.
Put Silva in the cage with Chuck Liddell ASAP. Resign Matt Lindland. Give Henderson or Marquardt another shot. Sign Gegard Mousasi, Jacare, Frank Shamrock, Cung Le, Robbie Lawler, somebody! Let Anderson box Roy Jones, Jr.
Give the man some challenges worthy of his abilities.
The man's talking about retirement for a reason. He's totally bored out of his mind. When a competitor of his skill and ability is put in the cage with an opponent he can toy with, no one should be surprised when that's what he does.
Sam Caplan agrees:
I did not see an unmotivated Silva take it easy last night and try to take liberties with Cote. I did not see a champion fight with over-confidence. Rather, I saw Silva fight with extreme caution. I saw a man who did everything in his power to avoid a repeat occurrence of the UFC 69 upset of then-welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre against the underdog of underdogs, Matt Serra.
I saw a man who respected Cote’s punching power and had enough respect for him not to present his chin on a silver platter, much like Chuck Liddell did to Rashad Evans last month at UFC 88. Granted, there were times where Silva dropped his hands, but he was always out of striking distance when he did so. The way I saw it, Silva didn’t want to press Cote and risk a knockout and instead wanted to take advantage of his reach by making Cote push the pace so that he could counter.
I didn’t see Silva take his opponent lightly; I saw a fighter in Cote who absorbed some tremendous combinations from Silva and barely winced after absorbing knees to the face.
-- Gif by Smoogy.
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas - Patrick Cote and Dana White talk UFC 90; audio thanks to Steve Cofield and ESPN1100:
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What was so wrong with how he fought?
Its a long fight. 5 rounds lets you feel out your opponent as long as you wish if you are elusive enough. He was crisp on his exchanges and he was waiting for Cote to make mistakes. It was a matter of time until he caught him. It was fighting careful against a guy who’s only real weapon is that he packs a lot of flash KO power. If it had played out and Anderson had KOed him in the 3rd or 4th then it would have been great strategy.
Also, I didn’t see the bow at the end of the round or helping Cote up as disrespectful, just playful.
by EazyEismydad on Oct 26, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I was a little disappointed that Anderson didn’t finish him sooner, but her certainly took his shots. The guy is a counter-fighter and we’ve seen via Chuck Liddell what happens when a counter-fighter gets forced out of his game.
by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
When in a fight, dancing around and being goofy is saying, “Hi opponent. You’re not worth my being serious over, so I’m going to be ‘playful’ with you. teehee.” You can’t see how that could be construed as disrespectful?
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that Frank Shamrock and Cung Le were being disrespectful to each other when they fought and gestured to each other? I feel like the cases are similar. Also, as I said above, I disagree with you when you say he was dancing. People also say Rashaad Evans and Machida dance but they both insist it is part of their fighting style to throw off opponents timing.
by EazyEismydad on Oct 26, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shamrock and Cung? Rashad and Machida? Will you be bringing up every fighter to ever fight in order to avoid talking about the two fighters we are supposed to be talking about? The fight was between Anderson Silva and Patrick Cote.
Also, I missed the “to each other” part. Seemed to be coming from one guy only.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cung and Shamrock was totally different
Those guys were each throwing bombs and giving as good as they got. Context is everything.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 26, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shamrock and Cung also
were sparring partners and go way way back as I remember. They are/were friends with some issues to sort out. That was sporting disrespect. Anderson was being cocky. Which was funny because he never hurt Cote at all.
by skwirrl on Oct 26, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I first watched the match, I was initially enjoying it, finding Silva’s antics playful. But as it wore on into the second, I kept thinking, “WTF is he doing?” I felt he could put Cote away but I almost felt like he was choosing not to. This was just a feeling I was getting and I didn’t like it. After the match was over, I was miffed and a little offended. I know Silva is bored, but he gets paid to fight and I didn’t think he was giving it his all. Now that I’ve had time to sleep on it, I’m not angry with the match as I was last night. I’m just mildly disappointed in Silva because the truth is, he has no competition. I know I don’t give 100% sometimes when I’m bored too at my job, so I get it.. I also respect Cote for his granite chin because even though Silva only exchanged a few times, he nailed Cote with shots that normally dropped previous opponents and Cote still looked fine. Kid Nate is right: Dana has to sign some better people, and he has to quit dicking around guys like Henderson and Marquart who should be allowed a second shot asap. it would be a shame to see a fighter of Anderson’s caliber retiring because his boss can’t or won’t provide better match-ups.
by pud333 on Oct 26, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a little unfair to bash Silva over one fight. Cote took some pretty hard shots, but Silva could have done more. However, I think it’s totally ridiculous to attack Slva in such a hostile manner over one performance. Criticizing it is fine, but I think some are getting way too outraged over this. Silva has been a consistent performer until last night; I’ll give him some leeway just because of that. The perception that most fans dig long slugfests probably played into Silva’s actions. That’s not the way he fights. Silva may have been trying to inject some excitement into the match. I don’t like it,, but I fear the reality is that people value lots of back and forth over a show of technical superiority.
Put Silva in with the top light heavyweights. There’s not much left for him to do within the UFC’s middleweight division.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 26, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva should definitely leave 185
Dana White needs to start matching AS up against the 205 superstars. Keeping him at 185 is a bit stupid considering all the retirement talk.
by rainmaker6 on Oct 26, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Replace Lister with Silva against Okami for UFC 92 = awesome Christmas present.
by Nick Thomas on Oct 26, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is it possible to get off Chucks nuts?
The guy is 1-3 in his last four fights, Cote was 4-0 in his last four (before last night). Whats all this “Cote not worthy, but Unlucky Chucky is” nonsense?
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Liddell's bigger
moving up in weight class is actually a disadvantage believe it or not and more than that Liddell is the biggest draw in the UFC (except for Brock Lesnar). That kind of stage would motivate Silva IMO.
by Kid Nate on Oct 26, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Silva is so great then have him fight someone either on their way up, or at the top. Not someone crashing down.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on
100% agree, its would be about money, not a good fight.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva is a complete CLOWN
Cote came to fight and Anderson came to dance and run laps. Anderson proved to the world that hes is most definitely not the best fighter. After his performance last night I’m sure Anderson will be getting some phone calls to compete in Dancing with the Stars and So You Think You Can Dance. Anderson is a much better dancer than he is a fighter so I’m sure Anderson will do great dancing as his new profession.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3M4VacJ4NU
15 seconds in.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Post
Agreed -
PfP 1. Fedor
2. GSp
3. BJ
Anderson is somewhere below that…
by skwirrl on Oct 26, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure where you had it before the fight, but…how do you drop someone after winning a fight?
by Mike Fagan on Oct 26, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i always see Fedor as clearly #1 and GSP and BJ have better resumes and are more accomplished than Anderson and BJ and GSP fought much tougher fights than Anderson.. GSP beat BJ once before so id have him #2 and BJ #3 but when they fight again in Jan the winner definitelty gets the #2 spot and unless Fedor loses Fedor will remain #1. Fedor is now fighting the best HWs and Barnett will prob be one of his toughest tests.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva has a loss Daiju Takase & Luiz Azeredo & Ryo Chonan
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP lost a fight when he was in his prime, was champ, and only last year.
The Spider last legitimate loss was 4 years ago before he bloomed into the fighter he is today. Recent performance is more indicative of the ability of a fighter. This is the same reason you don’t use Randy Couture’s loss against Chuck Liddell as a gauge for his current performance. And that is why you don’t use Chuck’s reign as champion two years ago to determine his performance today.
Time is a dimension that escapes many fans.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and since the loss GSP DOMINATED Kos and Fitch and finished Hughes again and finished Serra. What has Anderson done lately? Oh yea thats right he ran laps and danced in last fight and won cause his opponents knee popped from chasing Anderson around the cage for 2 rounds. LOL. Anderson is a clown and a dancer. he fought Cote who isnt even ranked and isnt even a conetender and Anderson gave his best strikes and couldnt hurt Cote.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean other than crushing Rich Franklin, choking out Dan Henderson and moving to a higher weight class and obliterating James Irvin before moving back down and beating Cote in a 12 month period?
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo is really the only true opponent and compared to years ago Hendo isnt the same and clearly is in the washed up stages. Irvin has a weak chin and Irvin isnt even considered competition in the LHW. and Cote isnt even a contender for the MW belt yet. and keep in mind Anderson is heavy his natural weight is around 215 so Anderson SHOULD be fighting at 205 fulltime instead hes a fulltime MW. LOL.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed the part where he misses weight and should be fighting at 205.
I also missed where he decides on who he fights. Clearly he hasn’t been happy with the quality of his competiton (despite having as good of a resume since hes been in the UFC as anyone), and has even moved up in weight class to take a dangerous fight.
Finally the last thing I missed is why you would end that paragraph with “LOL” and expect to have any credibility.
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is naturally heavy somewhere around 215 so OFCOURSE Anderson and Franklin outpower and have the advantage over all natural 185ers. a win over Irvin at 205 is nothing the slightest bit impressive cause 205 is where Anderson SHOULD be fighting at fulltime and Irvin isnt any kinda force in the LHW division at all. so how is a fight against Irvin “dangerous”? LOL. its only dangerous cause they have to hype up the fight like they hype all fights up. just like Cote is the “#1 Contender” and Fedor isnt even a top HW according to Dana WHite LOL
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he not make weight?
Is there a rule against other fighters cutting weight?
Is this a rare practice in MMA?
The answer to all of these questions is clearly no so I don’t see where you are coming from at all.
James Irvin is a dangerous fight because he has serious knockout power and despite your claims, fighting at a certain weight for years and then changing weight classes is difficult.
Seriously, get a clue.
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson being naturally much heavier has alot more natural strength and power than natural 185ers. yes ofcourse he makes weight. but he is one of the biggest MWs the only obstacle in the MW division was Franklin who isnt as great as hes hyped up to be at all and and older washed up Hendo is really his only significant win. the problem is the MW division is the weakest division where you have LHWs dropping so they can add some easy wins to their record. ALOT of fighters have KO power but Irvin isnt even a contender at 205 hes just a stepping stone.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ Penn is naturally much bigger than 155.
GSP is naturally much bigger than 170.
Forrest Griffin is naturally much bigger than 205.
Your argument fails.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope GSP weighs naturally at around 170 Griffin naturally weighs in around 205. as for BJ he beat matt hughes at hughes BEST . id like to see Anderson beat some of the best LHWs at their best although now there really is no best LHW but id like to see Anderson beat some of the top conetnders at LHW.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin weighs 240 walking around. GSP walks around at 190. BJ walks around 190.
I won’t argue with you any more since it feels too much like a Sherdog debate with you.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP said himself in a recent interview his natural weight is 170 but hell gain weight to fight Anderson. Well ANderson also walks around at HW but he skips 2 weightclasses to fight at MW the weakest weight class. and aint nothing wrong for Forrest to fight at the MOST COMPETITIVE BEST AND MOST TALENTED division in MMA. and no way BJ walks around at 190 cause Dana said himself he will ever let BJ fight Anderson cause hes too light and he wont allow BJ to gain soo much weight.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, GSP does not walk around at 170, jesus. He even said in Dana’s last vlog that he knows he’s going to have to move up eventually because his body is getting bigger and he won’t be able to make the cut anymore.
by Mike Fagan on Oct 26, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure BJ doesn’t walk around at 190 unless he’s let himself go.
by Richard Wade on Oct 26, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He obviously still weighs plenty more than 155, though, so your point stands.
by Richard Wade on Oct 26, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll have to ask BJ. However, he has fought at heavyweight before weighing somewhere around 190-200. So he doesn’t look like a Buddha for no reason.
by cyph on Oct 27, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP won’t be anywhere on that list after Alves is done with him.
I find it hillarious that GSP gets knocked out by a journeyman, then couldn’t finish Kos or FItch, and now Silva didn’t knock out somebody in the first round and everyone is dropping him down on a P4P list. MMA fans are hillarious.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well GSP got caught anybody can get caught and lose well as it seems except Fedor. Alves didnt finish Kos either. and Anderson is fighting in the weakest division in MMA while Anderson walks around naturally at HW. Anderson choose the easist path possible in MMA which is the same that Franklin did cause Franklin is a LHW. Anderson was extremely unprofessional and had a poor performance against a fighter that shouldnt even be a contender for the MW belt yet. i never seen Anderson in the top of the list to begin with.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So getting “caught” is better than not winning in the first? When was the last time GSP finish anyone in the first? You have to go all the way back to Frank Trig. Alves gave the worst beating Kos had ever taken. Some of those shots that Kos took would have knocked out GSP. Alves was far more impressive in his win over Kos than GSP was. And this is the new and improved Koscheck.
It’s a joke that people think that the middleweight is the easiest division. People think that because of the ease that Silva walk through everybody. I’ll tell you what, Dan Henderson is a bigger, better, and more experienced Fitch. Silva walked through Henderson. GSP couldn’t even finish Fitch. Henderson would destroy Fitch in a fight. Henderson would probably beat GSP at 185. GSP is the most overrated MMA fighter in the world.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you forget the whoopin Fitch put on Alves? Than did you see the whoopin GSP put on Fitch? Henderson now isnt the same Hendo years ago hes much older. 6 out of his last 8 fights went to decision. well Franklin was a LHW who dropped and dominated the MW division with ease until finally a competitor Anderson came along. and how did Anderson walk though Hendo when Hendo was pounding Anderson in the 1st round and controlled and won the 1st round? CLEARLY Anderson is DEFINITELY the MOST OVERRATED FIGHTER in the World who fights in the WEAKEST division in MMA. look at the resumes. GSP resume is full of talented fighters he beat while Andersons resume doesnt even compare.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A fight two years ago is indicative of a young fighter today? Do you think Drew Fickett would be able to beat the Koscheck of today?
For some reason, you see getting “caught” by Serra one year ago is not too bad, but you see a loss to Fitch two years ago as indicative of Alves. Nice selective reasoning. It’s okay to get “caught” by Serra but it’s not okay to lose the first round to one of the best MMA fighter in the world, a multiple belt holder like Henderson. GSP fans seem to see all his losses as an aberration. The GSP of today is not a finisher. He is wrestler who grinds out wins.
And your assertion that Henderson is over the hill doesn’t stand up to analysis: Henderson’s last few fights: A loss to the middle weight champ, a loss to the light heavyweight champ, a KO of Silva, and a win over Palahares. Lets see the over the hill Matt Hughes that GSP beat: Two losses to GSP, a win against Lytle, and a KO to Alves. It looks like Hughes is the over the hill fighter and Henderson is still in his prime.
The bottom line is that Silva has won 9 in a row with 9 finishes. GSP can’t finish anyone who is remotely good, but was easily knocked out by a nobody. You can’t argue this fact.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exposing the myth that middleweight division is weak:
Fact: The light heavyweight division is one of the toughest division in the UFC.
Fact: Dan Henderson knocked out Wanderlei Silva. He barely lost in a 5 round title fight against then current champ Rampage Jackson. Wanderlei Silva knocked out Rampage Jackson twice. Rampage Jackson knocked out Chuck Liddell.
Fact: Anderson Silva finished a guy who has been so difficult to finish that he has only been finished three times in his life. Once against Rogerio Noguer, the other against current UFC interim HEAVYWEIGHT champ. The only other time he was finished? By Anderson Silva.
Myth: Anderson Silva dominant a weak division: FALSE.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Hendo is Anderson’s only top 5 MW win EVER. Say what you want about Franklin his biggest win is against Okami when Okami didn’t even show up in the building till the 3rd and still almost finished him. That or 10 loss McDonald.
by skwirrl on Oct 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand this kind of reasoning with MMA fans. Henderson is one of the greatest MMA fighters ever. Oh, but he’s always struggled against the MW division so it doesn’t count. The middle weight division is one of the weakest…but Henderson sucks against the weak middle division, so it doesn’t count.
Franklin is no good because he beat an Okami who didn’t show up to fight. GSP is the best, but he got caught. Franklin was one of the best up and coming superstar in the UFC, but once he got beat by Silva, then oh he’s not very good. MMA fans and selective reasoning goes hand in hand.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTELY. Anderson only real BIGGEST win is over Hendo and Anderson even says that himself. Franklin isnt all hes hyped up to be at all.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, Silva said that Franklin was his toughest opponent to date
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you not watch the UFC 90 preshow on Spike. SIlva says Henderson is his biggest win of his career which it absolutely is no doubt about it. cause Franklin isnt nearly as good as his hype same as Anderson isnt nearly as good as his hype either.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FACT: Rampage and Evans KOed Liddell and Jardine beat Liddell than Liddell beat Wanderlei than Wanderlei KOed Jardine. Rampage beat Liddell TWICE Wanderlei beat Rampge TWICE and Liddell beat Wanderlei. LOL. So Whats your point? WHen you got Hendo switching weight back and forth from 205 to 185 nonstop and as old as he is what do you expect from him? Anderson is staying at 185 when he should be at 205 but 185 has no competition and is CLEARLY the weakest division in MMA so Anderson chooses the easiest route possible. and Rogerio got KOed by Sokoudijou who just got KOed by Cane. this can go FOREVER. it dont matter who the opponent loses to but what you do against the opponent. GSP beat BJ and Hughes and Sherk and FItch and Karo at Karo’s BEST. GSP beat some of the best of all time and plenty of talent while Anderson just beat a Franklin who isnt anything really special except like Anderson just dominating the weakest division in MMA. so really Anderson main precious win is over a washed up Hendo. LOL.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that Silva beat one of the toughest MMA fighter in the world who has beaten and fought some of the best fighters in the world.
You obviously don’t know how to use paragraphs. You end your paragraphs with LOL. I didn’t knoe Sherdog has invaded BloodyElbow.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Anderson beat Wanderlei or did Henderson beat Wanderlei? EXACTLY. Liddell cant beat Rampage and Rampage cant beat Wanderlei. but Liddell can beat Wanderlei. Jardine KOed Griffin in the 1st Round and Rampage cant even beat Griffiin in 5 rounds and Wanderlei destroyed Jardine. this can go on forever.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reread what I wrote. Your comprehension skill leaves much to be desired.
Your premise is that the middleweight division is weak. If that is true, then why would Silva be able to beat Henderson easily while nobody in the light heavyweight division can beat him? Henderson is your frame of reference. The fact that Silva can destroy a guy who nobody in the light heavyweight division can finish nullify your assertion that the middleweight division is weak and that Anderson Silva walks through weak fighters.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like i said Hendo is washed up coming back and forth 20 pounds at his age would wear anybody out. while Anderson is already retiring next year LOL. Hendo lost to some scrub like Misaki at MW LOL. and that loss was Hendo last MW fight until he fought Anderson in which Hendo pounded and won the 1st round against Anderson. and Anderson barely won his MW belt at pride to begin with against another MW scrub. LOL so realistically Anderson beating Hendo at MW is not as big as you think cause Hendos last MW fight he lost against a scrub.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Henderson barely won his MW belt at pride to begin with against another MW scrub
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so 1 year and 2 years is such a big difference? Fitch beat Alves senseless. and Hendo lost to Misaki and barely won that middleweight belt from somebody like Bustamante LOL.. there are champions everywhere but its who you win it from that counts not winning it from some scrubs. yea Hendo KO Wanderlei was cool but than you like at people like Serra who KOed GSP anybody can get KOed thats MMA. and whats a win in decision over Palahares supposed to mean? LOL. Hendo usedta finish fights and now his only finish was a KO against Wanderlei and all decisions and loses. Jardine KOed Griffin who is the current LHW champ so is Jardine better than Griffin? Why hasnt Jardine had a title shot he already KOed the champ senseless in the 1st round and Rampage realistically lost to lindland right before he entered UFC. Your boy Alves couldnt even handle Fitch and GSP beat Fitch senseless. GSP is not a finisher? yet GSP finished hughes and serra right before beating Fitch sensless where Alves cant even handle Fitch. LOL.. You fail to realize Anderson isnt fighting nearly the same kinda level of talent as GSP is. Beating an old washed up man like Hendo when Hendo dominated the 1st round and beating Franklin aint so impressive at all. Who has Franklin ever beat thats so impressive? when you got LHW like franklin dropping weight ofcourse he gonna handle the small guys than you got a HW like Anderson beating Franklin. when you got heavy middleweights like Anderson and Franklin dominating smaller guys in the WEAKEST division in MMA that aint nothing special at all. Why wont they fight in their natural weight classes and leave 185 to actual 185ers.
by Dank456 on Oct 26, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is that Silva has won 9 in a row with 9 finishes.
The most basic of common sense observations, and this entire argument is squashed…
Well done Cyph!
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Oct 26, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Funny
It’s funny to hear all the Silva haters. If he had ended it in the first round you’d all be bitching about that. The man challenges Cote to bring the fight to him and Cote just couldn’t do it. Silva is good enough to dance and kick ass and somehow that is interpreted as disrespectful. I was disappointed with the ending of the fight but please be realistic. I am going to give Dank the benefit of the doubt and assume that this comment is his attempt at being overly sarcastic and funny. The comment certainly made me laugh.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Oct 26, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other huge +500 underdog of the night won...
I thought he was respecting Cote’s power and didn’t want to underestimate his opponent.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same.
There is A LOT of overreacting going on today, but I don’t know why that surprises me anymore…
by Chris Nelson on Oct 26, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
silva
appearantly, you cant go out of the second round and be considered champion enough anymore. What people fail to understand is silva’s fighting style. he dances around as such as to see cotes response to movement in each direction. he watches chest movement to see how his body moves, wether he be throwing a punch or shooting for a takedown. As for the mocking, lets start with patrick cote’s mockery of his leading foot shuffle or the shoulder shrug at the end of the first round. Silva only toyed with mockery after it had been put on him. Oh and what is it with the contender laying on the ground after silva got up, after 10 seconds on the ground i would have extended my hand as a gesture to welcome them back to the fight. All in all, he should have taken the helping hand cause about 1 minute later he collapsed on the ground. Silva is the best pound for pound fighter in the world, you find someone to disprove such a theory. He takes one fight out of the second round and everyone turns against the champ. im pretty sure george st. pierre just had a fight go to decision against an unworthy opponent in jon fitch. The ufc, made the mistake, cote is not the next best on paper, obviously isnt even in condition to be in the fight and in my mind i would be simply embarassed. if i were dana, i’d say see ya. he did the same to arlovski for less of an embarassment.
by sw131313 on Oct 26, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jon Fitch was not an unworthy opponent
Yes, he was dominated by one of the best fighters in the world, but Fitch also put on one of the bravest displays of heart I’ve seen in the UFC. Having seen the fight from cage side and then seen Fitch show up at the press conference afterwards when he was supposed to go to the hospital, I think describing him as “unworthy” is the height of disrespect.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 26, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also ignores the win streak he had against a number of other contenders (e.g. Alves, Sanchez, etc.). Seriously, Fitch was pretty much a consensus #2 at 170 if you looked at nearly every quasi-respectable MMA site that ranks fighters.
by Estrada on Oct 26, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
That Silva didn’t do anything for one minute versus Irvin until the counter strike which ended the night. Out of 1:20 or so, he only punched for 3 seconds which all landed. People only remember the KO’s but never the rest of the fight. Silva has always been a timer and a counter striker. He isn’t a go for broke striker.
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1) It’s one fight. Everyone needs to chill out.
2) If Cote’s knee doesn’t die and Silva finishes him, we aren’t talking about this.
3) I appreciate the clowning. It’s entertaining to me. I also am madly in love with Lyoto Machida, so maybe I’m just cut out of a different cloth.
4) It’s ONE FIGHT. CHILL OUT.
by Mike Fagan on Oct 26, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am disappointed in Silva’s Performance, but yeah, you’re right, it’s just one fight. So we should be giving Silva the benefit of doubt, I admit. I love Machida too, but Machida doesn’t clown around. I don’t think what Anderson did and what Machida does can be considered the same thing or even similar.
by pud333 on Oct 26, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you disregard Anderson trying to entertain, he had the same elusive gameplan Machida employs.
by Mike Fagan on Oct 26, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess I was talking more about intent.
by pud333 on Oct 26, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
If Silva does this stuff again, we may have something to be pissed off about. The guy has done some amazing things, and he always goes for the finish. I’m not going to discount his entire body of work, because he strayed from the strategy that has made him great on one night. The whole thing backfired on Silva because Cote got hurt. If he had gone out and destroyed Cote later in the third round, I’d say that there wouldn’t be this ground swell of overreaction.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 26, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Scary Thing about Anderson Silva
I am right there with most everyone who saw the fight and said “WTF”!
But the scary thing is we have yet to see Silva fight anything but a conservative fight. If that man really lets loose he would shock the world all over again.
Yeah what about franklin… Silva was just doing his thing. Silva has fought to win! This man had mad skills and if there was no belt just a fight it would be a mind blowing experience. Watch the Ultimate Fighter show that he was on. You see a side of him that is scary. He is just toying with everyone like Bruce Lee. He is fast and I would love to see him be furious!
He could have finished Cote in 2 mins. why he decided to prolong the fight is beyond me but I am sure it is not beyond the UFC. Oh well who is next?
Maybe St. P should come up and fight him, then Silva could go up and fight forest. Who knows what is in store for the Champ but I thought the dancing with the Stars was a good suggestion.
All the best,
WARRIOR LIVE
by WarriorLive on Oct 26, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bowing disrespectfully towards Cote at the end of the first and at one point offering a hand to help Cote off the floor
How is that disrespectful?
by IHateMMA on Oct 26, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what Cofield’s going on about. The bow was clearly respectful – didn’t Cote bow back?? And whether the hand up was legit or a little bit of gamesmanship, who cares?
by Chris Nelson on Oct 26, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
An Anderson Silva v. Roy Jones Jr. boxing match all of a sudden looks interesting (sarcasm), apperantly Silva has been watching RJJ fight footage and picked of some of his cockyness too. But I bet RJJ was proud!!!
by ANance on Oct 26, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He wasn’t respecting Cote…
He had a high probability for ending the fight when he was on the ground on top… so if he was afraid why didn’t he at least take that opportunity? COte has no guard game…
Their are other reasons why he was behaving the way he was… he wanted to remain in the spot light longer, he wanted to give the fans more, he was bored and wanted to end the fight with some super move…. I have no fuckin idea. But the bottom line is it wasn’t because he respected Cote and Anderson needs to realize a few things:
People don’t pay to watch a sparring match… especially when its a debut in a new market. (chicago… which happens to also be the best ppv market for the UFC).
This is not fuckin boxing… the fans of this sport grew up being exposed to over 30,000 to 300,000 advertising messages per day as opposed to 30…
The fans of this sport don’t need you to carry anyone. They have ADD.
The UFC also lost out here… but this fight was a crescendo and an experiment for building a ppv draw… so giving him an easy fight was a risk but a prudent one.
UFC is trying to quickly rematch this ortiz-ken shamrock style free on spike. .. Unless Cote’s knee doesn’t allow it.
by mmalogic on Oct 26, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just didn’t see all this disrespect that people keep talking about, I even went back and watched the fight a second time because I thought I missed something. Yea it wasn’t a great fight and yea they both seemed to keep their distance striking but I didn’t see anything at all that made me think disrespect and I didn’t see where Cote showed anything except the ability to absorb some damage. I think a lot of times people get upset when they don’t see what they expect to see from a fight and anything that didn’t include Cote going unconscious was going to be a letdown. I do agree that MMA fans have ADD, they didn’t get what they wanted this fight so it’s time to throw Silva under the bus.
by who me on Oct 26, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HEADLINE ON YAHOO...
“Joke of a fight”
ouch. Not that I put all my belief in what is written on yahoo, but that is seen by a lot of people.
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by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
^Typical UFC Fight
Maybe Yahoo employees should have DREAM events streamed live into the office all day at some point so they can see what real MMA events where people show up to fight are like.
Griffen vs Sherk should have been on a DREAM card – it was too good for UFC
by skwirrl on Oct 26, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think this is worthy of its own article, but Steve Cofield posted this little tidbit:
“Cote was told that the early diagnosis was a torn meniscus not an ACL or MCL. He trailed 20-18 on two scorecards and was even 19-19 on the other starting the third round.”
Can someone find the 19-19 judge and beat him with a stick? I don’t understand how anyone can score either round for Cote.
by Mike Fagan on Oct 26, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets be fair tho.. the judges are used to judging fights, not dances.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, it’s funny, while watching this fight, i wondered if perhaps a judge would “penalize” Silva for his decisions.
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by BJJDenver on Oct 26, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you’re really upset that he didn’t come out and murder the guy huh?
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are gray areas between murder and dance competition.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s finished every UFC fight hes even been a part of. His unorthodox hand and head movement is part of what makes him so difficult to beat. Did he fight his hardest? Probably not. Has he earned some leeway from the MMA community? Damn straight.
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore that clinking sound you just heard. It was my eyes hitting the back of my head.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea you’re right. He runs in every fight and isn’t entertaining to watch. You deserve better.
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were all his fights last night? Wowzers, he IS impressive!
Now that we have the dick out of the way, if you want to discuss seriously, start being serious. He looked like a showboating dipshit last night. Sorry if me saying that about HIM offends YOU, wannabe. I try very hard not to be a hypocrite, so since I felt it was wrong when Rashad did it, I also felt it was wrong that Silva did it.
Now, whether or not you can understand that is none of my business. I tried to avoid the subject and let people who pretend that this is some important issue douche it out so don’t drag me in, and don’t pretend I’m one of the many reporters and journalists making a huge issue of this.
In other words pick a fight with someone who cares, and /shoo.
by mythbuster on Oct 26, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure I was serious up until the fun little eyes hitting the back of your head comment. I think you should try a little harder not to be a hypocrite if you are going to complain that I wasn’t serious enough in my discussion with you.
I’m not exactly sure where you got the idea that I was offended by your opinion but just so we’re clear, I’m not offended by that or your anonymous internet name calling. I am more than happy to have a legitimate conversation and I do apologize if anything I said set off that little tantrum.
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is unreal
The guy has finished EVERY UFC fight he has been of in spectacular fashion. Did you see how happy Cote was just to make it to the third round? Some of you need to get some perspective on the situation.
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing isn't it?
The GSP fans are crawling out of the woodwork like roaches trying to attack Silva for seemingly bizarre reasons. For some reason, in their twisted mind, a Silva fight that didn’t end in the first round became a negative…. yet a grind it out LnP victory over tough opponents are considered “domination.”
by cyph on Oct 26, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its pretty sad to watch but I guess I should be used to bizarre logic from MMA fans.
by Day Man on Oct 26, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um…he was obviously clowning around in there and not taking Cote seriously. Did you see him moving his hands around in an exaggerated motion at times? He was playing with Cote. When you offer an opponent your hand to help them up you are being disrespectful, not gracious.
by lbk on Oct 26, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a movement of Andersons that reminded of something and it just came to me…
The Kalib Starnes swish…
somebody compare the gifs of them circling.
by mmalogic on Oct 26, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to see
What the Silva defenders are seeing in him fighting this one seriously. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but I’ve watched it twice and I can’t see it. Anderson in real life is a fun loving playful cat that everyone likes and enjoys. When Anderson is in the cage he’s a fighter and he’s all business—except against Cote. He went in there the goofball he is normally instead of the focused fighter. He fought him like a dad wrestles with his toddler.
The rap about other fighters like Hendo and GSP is completely useless, and I don’t understand why people on these bloody sites can’t let someone have their opinion if it differs from their own. Sometimes people disagree, stop trying to change the other.
by Dooda on Oct 26, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Put Silva in the cage with Chuck Liddell ASAP. Resign Matt Lindland. Give Henderson or Marquardt another shot. Sign Gegard Mousasi, Jacare, Frank Shamrock, Cung Le, Robbie Lawler, somebody! Let Anderson box Roy Jones, Jr.
Give the man some challenges worthy of his abilities.
The man’s talking about retirement for a reason. He’s totally bored out of his mind. When a competitor of his skill and ability is put in the cage with an opponent he can toy with, no one should be surprised when that’s what he does.
So let me get this straight we are supposed to accept a guy being bored and not wanting to fight because his opponent isn’t a big name because why?. If Silva is too bored to fight a guy that he himself claimed he did, then Anderson is getting off easy today from all the fans because they should be ripping him apart.
But the real story here is that Cote took some of his best shots and wasn’t hurt or rocked or anything and that took Silva right out of his gameplan. Cote executed his gameplan and made it clear from the start that he wasn’t going anywhere, it’s too bad that you Anderson apologist are too busy liking in your dream world to see facts instead of your own delusional ideas. Cote fought Silva even through 2 rounds and would’ve made it a hell of a fight for the rest of the night until his freak injury, Silva didn’t look great because Patrick didn’t allow him to it’s that simple.
by Raker on Oct 27, 2008 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If his gameplan was...
to not land any significant strikes of his own and eat big shots (you don’t win simply by not getting knocked out) than yeah. He TOTALLY had Silva where he wanted him
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 27, 2008 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the fight
and never thought Silva offering Cote a hand to get up was disrespectful nor did I think so when he bowed to him. I think it is truly hard for people to believe that someone is geniunely a nice guy so any time they see this behavior they automatically assume he is being a dick. He has always completely respected every single opponent he faced in the UFC.
by dnevil001 on Oct 27, 2008 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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