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Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Escapes and Scrambles with Jim Miller and David Baron

This installment of the Bloody Elbow Judo Chop is a little less defined than previous installments. Instead of talking about a specific technique, I'm waxing rhapsodic about a little discussed aspect of the game -- the scramble.

This weekend's UFC 89 match between Jim Miller and David Baron featured several tasty escapes and reversals that I found to be far and away the highlight of the event.

The instance pictured here is from the 2nd round of the fight. Miller starts out in side control but Baron powers out. Baron briefly regains his feet, but only just in time for Miller to grab his head and get an underhook on his left arm. From there Miller drops into a guillotine and rolls Baron back to his back. He didn't finish, but he maintained top control for the rest of the round.

Baron reversed Miller at least four times in the fight, this being the last. But Miller's scrambling is so good he quickly re-established control each time. Against a dangerous fighter like Baron that makes a huge difference. Many times a wrestler will lose top control and never get it back. Miller's combination of good wrestling and killer jiu jitsu is a very dangerous one. See Shields, Jake.

This is the kind of action that makes me love the WEC so much. Uriah Faber's fights are full of these action packed scrambles. When people bitch about fights featuring wrestlers being exciting they're usually referring to matchups like Tyson Griffin vs Frankie Edgar or Clay Guida where both guys can wrestle. Matchups those same wrestler can just as often be accused of boring layNpray fights -- Edgar vs Fisher or Guida vs Danzig but IMO its their opponent who's boring -- dude can't get out of bottom position. Mark my words, Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin could be a scorcher for this very reason.

In the case of Miller vs Baron things were especially tasty because of Miller's wrestling + BJJ background up against Baron's mainly judo-based grappling. More on that, and 3 more animated gifs from the fight in the full entry.

An utter failure to appreciate the beauty of this aspect of the MMA game was behind the failure of EliteXC. Fans don't mind groundfighting, they just want to see action packed ground fights.

About the name of this feature: I chose Judo Chop because it’s an utter misnomer that is sometimes used by poorly informed MMA commentators during fights. It’s also from the Austin Powers movie. I chose it because it reflects my own lack of expertise and what this column is, my stumbling along in the dark trying to get a handle on the technical aspects of the fights. The techniques featured here will sometimes involve judo but not always. Sorry if that's confusing.

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First off, here's an instance of a similar sequence from the first round. Again Miller's in side control but this time Baron has control of his head. When Baron powers out, Miller wasn't able to immediately scramble back to control.

Later in the same round, Baron escapes from side-control again, this time by sitting up rather than powering out. This is where things get really interesting.

Baron stands up, gets control of Miller's right arm and attempts to execute a seonage throw. A classic judo ippon move, until Karo Parisyan showed it could be used effectively in MMA, seonage was long considered a move not worth the risk. Miller reminds everyone why here.

Miller manages to get an underhook with his left arm and to grip his right hand with his left. Therefore instead of throwing Miller on his ass, Baron ends up with a BJJ monkey on his back. Its a classic MMA situation! The genius of BJJ was its emphasis on maintaining positional control. Moves like seonage inherently give up that control to get the throw. The throw can work in MMA but you have to watch and make sure you're countering this BJJ trick.

In this last one, Baron counters Miller's single leg attempt with a nice variation of Sumi Gaeshi Tomoe Nage (see comments, thanks everyone!). In traditional judo the roll relies on gi-grips. In this instance Baron's got a front headlock on Miller. When Luke and I were talking about this sequence he wanted me to mention that in this move, "the legs do all the throwing with momentum from the headlock." In Karo's book, he mentions repeatedly on moves like this that the key is to sit straight down, not to attempt to roll backwards. Baron wasn't able to capitalize much on this move, but he's someone I expect to win his next UFC fight. Miller is just that good.

As always let me know what I've fucked up. I'm strictly an armchair martial artist.

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Loved this fight. The second round was incredible.

I may be wrong but I think the last gif is a tomoe nagi. I’m not an expert though.

by Simco on Oct 21, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There’s a BJJ variation of that, too, but I never learned the name.

by Luke Thomas on Oct 21, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m in the same boat. I can do it gi and nogi, one leg or two, but everyone at my school just calls all of them tomoe nagis.

by Simco on Oct 21, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t tell the difference really. I thought it was Sumi Gaeshi myself.

by zeroword on Oct 21, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually if you go by this thread its a Sumi Gaeshi

http://judoforum.com/lofiversion/index.php/t15652.html – Ignore the video and read the comments.

I decided to research the difference and a Tomoe Nage is where the foot is on the opponents hip. A Sumi Gaeshi is when your foot elevates the opponents thigh.

I think David Baron’s right foot under Miller’s leg is what rolled them.

by zeroword on Oct 21, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this series, keep up the good work!

by Michaelthebox on Oct 21, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scrambles are all about keeping your hips. Some guys do it naturally, but it you can keep control of your hips and not let the position of your hips be dictated by the other guy then scrambles will mostly work in your favor.

by szucconi on Oct 21, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post, looks like great scrambles run in the family.

Dan Miller vs. Rob Kimmons, UFN 15

by smoogy on Oct 21, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's a fun one too

what’s the throw miller starts the sequence with and would you say he pulled it off?
Those Miller brothers are some grappling fools. I’m looking forward to seeing Dan tussle with the BJJ monsters at 185 — Maia, Palhares, Filho, Almeida…could be fun.

by Kid Nate on Oct 21, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a Tai Otoshi that he didn’t pull off but took the back off of it anyway. It looks like he lifts his foot a little so it might be that hip throw variation the name of which escapes me…..

That is not a good camera angle to really tell imo.

by zeroword on Oct 21, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m starting to believe the traditional judo nomenclature doesn’t quite apply to some of the adapted techniques we’re seeing… I mean, Miller basically has a greco clinch and just hip-tosses Kimmons. I’m not sure you can say any specific throw is being adapted there.

Regardless of what you want to call it, its pretty damn slick.

by smoogy on Oct 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd love to see a thorough comparison

of greco and judo that shows which techniques overlap and how they are modified.

by Kid Nate on Oct 21, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The overhook and grip of the arm is a common position in no-gi Judo. Judo technique names are often literal descriptions of the technique so I don’t see why its wrong.

The main problem is that we can’t really see the full details of the technique from the overhead view. It could be a hip toss, but it looks like his leg was blocking so it could be a Tai Otoshi or a Harai Goshi.

by zeroword on Oct 21, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

here’s something i’ve been wondering about — is the hip toss not a recognized throw in judo or what? why doesn’t anyone use a japanese name for it? even Karo in Judo for MMA uses the term hip toss when every other throw has a Japanese name.

by Kid Nate on Oct 21, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its just convenience for me. Whichever one is shorter. Sometimes the Japanese name is easier to say and vice-versa.

For instance you could say, Forward foot sweep from the outside or Aishi barai. Hip Toss is easier to say for me than O Goshi.

by zeroword on Oct 21, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% correct

start calling a hip toss – goshi and you’ll have every yellow belt judoka screaming, o goshi or uki goshi? hane goshi or uchi mata… better to say hip toss everytime.

FYI:
goshi: means hips.
O: means major. (your hip comes right across in front of theirs)
Uki: means minor. (you hip stops around their mid-section)

the way i explain the difference between the throws: O goshi your opponent is going for a ride on a ferris wheel (speling?), Uki goshi they go for a ride on a merry-go-round.

by Ronnie Liddle on Oct 22, 2008 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m an MMA fan for this very reason – scrambles are intense and fast-paced. The first big fight I saw was Diego Sanchez vs. Nick Diaz – 15 minutes of non-stop grappling, and I’ve been hooked since. It was love at first…

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 21, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that was a great fight

Diego vs Karo and Karo vs Diaz are fun too.

by Kid Nate on Oct 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diego vs Karo was awesome except I rooted for Karo, and I don’t think I’ve seen Diaz in a dull fight (except for vs. Sherk, maybe, but that’s not Diaz’s fault)

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Oct 21, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of my favorite fights ever.

by Simco on Oct 21, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some guys just know how to get back up when given the slightest space where others just flop on their backs and dont even make any attempts to scramble. Never understood why myself.

I also love this column. The use of the animated gif makes it shine and enables me to try this stuff showcased at training.

by Benicio on Oct 21, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely fantastic piece, man. Thanks a million.

by asa on Oct 22, 2008 5:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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