WAMMA: Hard Truths and Failed Promises
Writing this article is one of the hardest things I've done since joining the BloodyElbow staff. This was the first time in my days writing here that I had to make a decision to write or not write something that could, in turn, limit my access to contacts that I've made in this sport. But the more thought that I have put into this, the more I have realized that what I owe to our readers is honesty...not silence because I'm worried about burning bridges. Our place in the world of MMA reporting, blogging, journalism, or whatever you would like to call it should be one of honest thought over self-interest.
I've given them as much of a chance as I've ever given anyone to try to convince me of something. But after conducting one phone interview with CEO Dave Szady and COO Michael Lynch and one “town hall” style interview where our readers were able to submit their own questions to those same executives as well as VP Pat Miletich I think the time has come for me to say what I think they've shown through interviews and actions...
WAMMA has placed itself in a position of irrelevance through their own refusal to adhere to their stated principals.
They claim that they are working to crown “one true undisputed champion without promotional boundaries” in each weight class but they do not appear willing to go out and make this happen. They have all but admitted that they simply are not willing to crown the best fighter in each weight class as their champion. Instead they focus on only promoting the fights that are in their best interest and allow for maximum exposure of their brand. This is the exact model they claim to be moving away from and fits almost exactly into the boxing sanctioning body model to which they claim to be different. There is no truth to moving away from the type of “club championships” that you see with the UFC, EliteXC, DREAM..etc. It is not “one true champion beyond promotional boundaries” when you are refusing to acknowledge the best fighters in a weight class as your champion because their promotion is not willing to work with you.
Ring Magazine's rankings and titles are the gold standard in boxing for determining “true world champions” outside of the boundaries of corrupt promoters and sanctioning bodies. Ring Magazine does not care if the promoters managing fighters or involved in a major fight are willing to say that a fight is for the Ring Magazine title or not, a fighter deserving of their title will be recognized because they care about honesty in their rankings.
In their responses to twenty questions put forth by BloodyElbow readers WAMMA executives said the following:
we here at WAMMA do believe that a match between Robbie Lawler vs. Matt Lindland would make the cut for a legitimate WAMMA Championship match.
This would be in the middleweight division...home to Anderson Silva, a man who received over 100 more “points” than Robbie Lawler in the September BloodyElbow Meta Rankings. Why would they consider Lawler/Lindland be a legitimate undisputed title fight? Because it's the best fight they can find that doesn't involve the UFC. NOT because the winner would be the clear-cut best fighter in the world at 185 lbs. What they are saying is more or less “yeah, we know that Anderson Silva is the best middleweight in the world, but Lawler or Lindland can be a legitimate undisputed champion because they'll at least make us a buck.” There is a slight flaw in this argument, no?
Furthermore, why bother with a fancy ranking board if their rankings are pointless? How valuable are these rankings to the organization if they are willing to disregard the information contained therein. If Robbie Lawler were to win the title in this fantasy matchup against Lindland, would a single voter on their board put him above Anderson Silva? If not, then for their executives to say that we have to “agree to disagree” that this would be a legitimate title fight is ludicrous. For all the boasting about the impartial members of the ranking board. Why should we care?
The problem here is that they don't care if fans of the sport find them credible. If they did they would know that they will never gain traction with those fans by suggesting that somehow they can have legitimate title holders when ignoring anyone under contract with Zuffa. WAMMA can get every athletic commission in the United States to consider them legitimate but without the fans buying what they're selling their titles mean less than even being named the #1 fighter in BE's own Meta-Rankings. At least we're honest with ourselves and the fans about how we determine who is #1 on our lists.
Furthermore, how is this dismissal of fighters who aren't working for a “friendly” promotion any different from Dana White's dismissal of the legitimacy of fighters such as Fedor who won't sign with his promotion? It isn't. This is exactly the same thing. Unless WAMMA can have it's name front and center, they are not as interested in the crowning of champions beyond promotional boundaries. Their own mission statement is a lie.
WAMMA officials claim that they simply can't get behind a Zuffa fighter as their champion because it would put that fighter in a compromised position within their organization. But, lets be truthful here. The UFC would not punish a fighter because an independent organization crowned them their champion. Am I to believe that the UFC would punish one of their best (Anderson Silva) or most “gate friendly” (Georges St. Pierre) fighters because some random independent group has decided that they are in fact the best fighters in the world at their weight class? That is pure nonsense.
So the only question that matters for WAMMA is this...How do you gain respect and recognition as the gold standard for rankings and championships when you display such a willingness to overlook what every MMA fan considers the gold standard in fighters?
The truth is WAMMA's model is broken. You can't rely on making a profit off of sanctioning fights and remain an organization that is seeking to crown the one true champion in the current MMA climate. There is an inherent need in this model to be critical of who is and is not supportive of them which flies in the face of their claims of being above promotional concerns. The UFC will not be aligning itself with this body any time soon because contrary to WAMMA's statements it would devalue the UFC's title to have a “more important” and “true” championship contested on their broadcast. And without them being considered “friendly” WAMMA will not sanction Zuffa fights as being for their undisputed world title...and then without Zuffa contracted fighters being considered WAMMA can not honestly crown a champion in the 205, 185 and 170 lb divisions without it being seen as a money grabbing farce by the majority of the MMA community.
You can't have it both ways WAMMA. You're either a for-profit organization that is exclusively recognizing bouts that can provide you with monetary gains, or you are recognizing the best fighters regardless of promotion for their accomplishments. Right now your organization falls firmly into the former and this is not the kind of transparent and honest behavior that you claim to stand for.
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For what it’s worth, I appreciate you doing what you feel is right despite the problems it could cause you down the road. I feel you made the correct decision. There are a number of things about WAMMA’s setup that seem to run counter to their stated goals.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 20, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good man, Brent
It would be awesome to organize the best fighters in the world to fight each other, across promotions that didn’t cheat or lie in the course of contesting free agents, without everyone having to be in the UFC.
It would also be awesome if ice cream cured cancer.
by subo on Oct 21, 2008 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to you Brent for deciding to speak out and not remain silent. I firmly believe that there is a role everybody can play, and sometimes you have to walk a fine line with speaking your mind and staying silent. People such as myself rely on you and others to get that inside scoop, to have those connections with management so we can have a say. We need people in your position to walk that fine line. Having said that, I think you made the right choice.
I’ve had my suspicions of WAMMA ever since I first heard of it, and that last Q&A session you set up for us just went to prove my suspicions; that WAMMA is not the altruistic organization they painted themselves up to be. Their responses were similar to how politicians answer questions: talking points that tell you what they think you want to hear. And when caught in a lie, they just talk some more without a definitive answer. Seriously, don’t piss in my face and tell me it’s raining.
Thanks Brent. If you burned your bridges here, so be it, but I don’t think WAMMA was legit anyway.
by pud333 on Oct 20, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good work!
Hope this doesn’t get lost in the pro elite mess. I suggest you repost it in a week or so.
by banter on Oct 20, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Independence in the hallmark of good journalism
I appreciate Brent writing this story, but it concerns me that it was even a question. In order for Bloody Elbow to continue to be a great site, we readers have to trust that the frontpagers are writing their honest opinions and not kowtowing to organizations to maintain access. Whether you have access or not, I will continue to read because I think you guys have the smartest and most insightful opinions about MMA. But if I get a sense that your opinions are compromised, I will cease to be interested—I could go to UFC.com for that.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 20, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I will say that it wasn’t so much of a hard choice as it was the first time that I had to think in terms of what this could do to my ability to cover stories in the future. Maybe my opening paragraph overly dramatizes the internal conflict over the choice…but there is something to be said for worrying about my ability to get access to people. Prior to this the second I needed something from WAMMA I could reach out to them and get it…which benefits our readers in that I can get “from the source news.” Regardless, right is right so I posted how I felt. Don’t worry that we’re cashing in honesty for access. I just like to be open with our readers as to my state of mind…which I think I do to my detriment quite often (I’m an emotional dude and you guys rip me for it on frequent occasion)
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 20, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate the honesty
It’s cool you voiced the elephant in the room, and you need not apologize for being honest. I just wanted to make sure you all realized that your uncompromised opinions were the draw of this site, not access to some half-ass organization that won’t exist next year anyway.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 20, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Done
I think you’ve gained the respect of your readers. As a matter of fact I’ve just signed up to Bloody Elbow to become a member tonight due to your admireable post. I’m sure your site will gain more viewers with your honest (call it like you see it), and honorable journalism.
by KillerInstinct on Oct 20, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
(Starts Slow Clap)
Clap……Clap……Clap……
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 20, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
You gave them every opportunity and gave them more chances to defend themselves than most other people would have.
You gave them a chance to answer the hard questions, and now that they have given bullshit answers, you’re calling them out, and it needs to be done.
There are 2 models, the Ring Magazine Model and the Alphabet Soup Model, they have been proclaiming to be the Ring but acting like a member of the Alphabet soup, and actions speak louder than words.
It would suck if Militetch responds negatively and it hurts your access in the future, but I really don’t think any of the other bridges that could be burned by this article wil mean anything in the long run.
by Phildo on Oct 20, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“There is an inherent need in this model to not be objective which flies in the face of their claims of non-objectivity.”
I don’t think you meant to include the “non.”
by Richard Wade on Oct 20, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for pointing that out first. Great article, Brent.
by Richard Wade on Oct 20, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem..
I did have a correction to make there and I took care of it. Thanks for pointing it out.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 20, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is not "one true champion beyond promotional boundaries" when you are refusing to acknowledge the best fighters in a weight class as your champion because their promotion is not willing to work with you.
So the only question that matters for WAMMA is this…How do you gain respect and recognition as the gold standard for rankings and championships when you display such a willingness to overlook what every MMA fan considers the gold standard in fighters?
Beautifully written article, Brent.
by funkyfetus on Oct 20, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’’t underestimate the importance of this article. Fantastic. Job well done.
by slamnbam88 on Oct 20, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to mention...
that Michael Lynch of WAMMA e-mailed me shortly after this went up and said basically that he appreciates that this site took the time to hear their side of things before drawing a conclusion, no bridges burned..etc. I’ll say this much…they are open with regards to trying to address concerns and while I will agree that it is very much “talking point” based and incorrect in my eyes…at least they try to put it out there…
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 20, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s great that they haven’t severed any relations. You said you carefully considered your options then wrote an article explicitly detailing your problems, and they were tough enough to accept it without (open) hard feelings. Even if their response is just “talking points”, it’s better than simply ignoring it.
Since when do things rationally transpire on the internet?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Oct 20, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Props to WAMMA
Their response to criticism earns some respect from me.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 20, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there wallets are open to criticism, then they can hire me to revamp there goals and get them back on track. If there goals are noble and they are not out to just make a quick buck off the rise of MMA then they can be saved.
by szucconi on Oct 21, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great job Brent. They need to address the fundamental issue of not willing to name fighters WAMMA champions who belong to orgs that don’t play ball with them.
by LiuLang on Oct 20, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice article. WAMMA doesnt really think anyone takes them seriously do they? Ask around and I bet 19 out of 20 MMA fans will not even know who they are.
It’s all about relevance for the here and now. By overlooking the real guys at the top of the sport, regardless of organisation, they render themselves irrelevant.
by Benicio on Oct 20, 2008 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are correct.
I wholeheartedly agree, what is WAMMA? I wasn’t 100% sure as big of an MMA fan as I am and after reading the interview/20 questions I knew that they were irrelevant.
by Lord Ogre on Oct 20, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanx For Having The Ballz To Write The Right Thing
After reading the article/interview with WAMMA I came to realize a few things.
One: WAMMA is irrelevant to MMA no matter what they want to believe or preach.
And Two and On: Everything you wrote in this article mirrored my thoughts as I finished reading the questions WAMMA answered.
I love how this site shoots far straighter then most others and I check this site first and foremost for my MMA news and information.
by Lord Ogre on Oct 20, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BAMMA
I am starting an unbiased world pro basketball team ranking organization who hopes to crown the a pro world champion for the first time! Unfortunately, do to the NBA failing to recognize us, we will only be crowning European teams champion because we feel the NBA would retaliate against the Celtics or Lakers if we make them our champion.
by Dropkick434 on Oct 20, 2008 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article Brent. I think you did a nice job of articulating what a lot of us were thinking about WAMMA. Bottom line is a good chunk of the top fighters in the world are under Zuffa contract. Guys like Penn, St. Pierre, Silva, Faber, etc. need to be considered when making a top ten list or crowning a champion. Any sanctioning body which crowns a ‘true’ champion without considering those guys isn’t relevant.
by Andy R on Oct 21, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially...
WW – There isn’t really a valid argument for anyone outside of GSP
MW – Absolutely 100% Anderson Silva
LHW – ALL fighters in their top 10 are Zuffa controlled.
That is 3 divisions where there is NO argument outside of Zuffa fighters
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 21, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And especially if they’re only requirement for a champion is that the guy fights a top 10 fighter once a year.
The UFC can get creative with their matchmaking, so the LHW champ may not always fight #2, but he’ll definitely fight a top 10 fighter every time out. WW is always a top 10 matchup, and while Cote isn’t in many people’s top 10 for MW, you have to take into account that Okami got hurt, so Anderson will fight a top 10 fighter soon.
by Phildo on Oct 21, 2008 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!!!
I agree 100% with this.
Very nice article.
by mattman73 on Oct 21, 2008 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
Very well articulated points. So good, in fact, I felt compelled to join just to support the continuation of this sort of work. You’ve converted a lurker.
by Rundownloser on Oct 21, 2008 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...
Welcome aboard!
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 21, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have no idea how they’re supposed to make revenue. Do they sell ads on the belts or something?
by smoogy on Oct 21, 2008 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the exact same thing. I have not really kept up with the WAMMA stuff because I, as most, thought it was a joke as soon as Dana White confirmed what everyone expected – that the UFC would not participate. I would assume Ring made revenue because of the magazine (i.e., ad sales).
(formerly TheFightJournal)
by Lucas2 on Oct 21, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe their goal is to...
make money off of people sponsoring the title fights. So if you were to see a “WAMMA Heavyweight Title Fight brought to you by Pepsi”…that kind of thing.
But I don’t fully grasp it either.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 21, 2008 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky for you....
It’s not a HUGE risk you’ve taken. After all Wamma won’t be around much longer because it wont’ be long before the UFC is the only major promotion left.
With the credit crisis companies can’t afford to borrow money to throw down the black hole that is a big MMA production. If someone is going to compete with the UFC it’s going to take years.
The WAMMA belts are a great idea, but with exclusive contracts like the UFC has it won’t ever matter. The best figheters in the world can’t fight unless they are all in the UFC or outside of it.
by Dexerion on Oct 21, 2008 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two things that always bothered me about WAMMA.
1. It’s real hard to be for profit and unbiased at the same time, if your doing it to make money then your bias almost has to be toward making money. WAMMA is in the MMA business to try and make a profit, of course that’s going to influence their decision making and that just leads right back to the problems in boxing.
2. What a horrible choice of names, it sounds like they should be making frisbees and hula hoops. Seriously who in their right mind decided it was a good idea to use those initials to identify themselves with?
by who me on Oct 21, 2008 3:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d Buzz this article up if I knew how to or what that meant.
This is a mighty fine article. Mighty fine.
by SamCupitt on Oct 21, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
I think we all knew WAMMA was a joke from the first day it was announced
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Oct 22, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you talked to Sam Caplan???
I sent this post to Sam Caplan yesterday on his site Fiveouncesofpain.com and not only did he not give me a response but deleted all my comments on his website. Think he may be a little pissed at your article.
by drano1 on Oct 22, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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