EliteXC Is Dead
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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PrintDave Meltzer broke the news that EliteXC is dead in the members-only section of the Wrestling Observer website:
Several fighters with EliteXC have gotten word today the promotion is down for the count after CBS pulled out of talks to purchase the company. The death of the deal was the Seth Petruzelli statements causing the investigation by the Florida Boxing Commission on the Kimbo vs. Petruzelli fight.
There is a lot to say on this, but I'll start here: As usual, the coverup ended up being worse than the scandal. Oh, and poor Gina Carano.
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I don't think so...
it isn’t a “good thing” but considering that they were unable to pull off a single big show without some sort of scandal or controversy…I don’t exactly think this is the worst thing possible for the sport.
They were poorly run and it cost them. I get that you’re blaming the economy…but there is no denying that a good chunk of this was self-inflicted.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 20, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Resistance is futile...
It wasn’t a question of if, but when. At least the fighters can now move on…
This will help MMA...
All the good fighters, including Gina Carano, will now have a chance to fight with a better organization.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Like…?
There aren’t many options anymore, specially for Womens MMA.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 20, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no women's mma...
not even in elite XC. There’s Gina, Cyborg, and a few others. Affliction will pick them up.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Affliction might pick up Gina vs Foe, but they aren’t going to have enough shows to flesh out a women’s division.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Oct 20, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That and Affliction has NO female MMA fighters.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 20, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
no one can support a woman's division, there aren't enough fighters yet.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
I never quite understood why WEC never gave a woman division a shot. Now, with the folding a the heavier divisions, you would think it would be a good fit.
Gina on TUF would be more interesting than USA vs UK.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Oct 20, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You, my friend, are a PERVERT!
But I totally agree with you.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
If Carano can find another org in the US (Japan is unfeasible because she’s an American Gladiator, for what that’s worth)
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Oct 20, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
(cross posted)
1: Don’t blame the fans, blame Lappen and the Shaws
2: I wonder if the investigation had anything to do with the sudden business closing.
3: It does suck that they chose to fold rather than just replace the crooks in charge. I would have liked to have seen some of the fights they had planned.
Ding dong, the witch is dead
This will go down as a great day in MMA history – a milestone in the growing pains from cult fascination to legitimate worldwide sport. I rejoice at this news.
by Derek Suboticki on Oct 21, 2008 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and poor Gina Carano.
Poor women’s MMA.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Oct 20, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
From Sherdog:
UFC & Station Casinos – Laying People Off and Negative Implications on SC’s Credit Reports.
Las Vegas – Losing revenue as economic uncertainty is high and people are not willing to gamble their money away.
- Night Of Combat, held at the UNLV Thomas and Mack Center, had an attendance of 1K with a gate of 32K while the fighter salries were 160K.
- UF 91 is also having a tough time selling out (the expensive tickets being a major reason), even though this is being labeled as one of the UFC’s biggest matches (Randy vs Lesnar), which it expects to break Gate #s and PPV #s (above 1 Mill). It looks like it may fall short of those numbers.
Adrenaline MMA – No Funding
EliteXC – Economy Crisis Affecting Viacom(CBS, Showtime) & 60 Mill Debt
Art Of War – Gasping For Air
DREAM – Funding Problems and Low Ratings
SmackGirl – Funding Problems, Gone?
AFL – No Funding and Cannot Run First Show Yet. Loaning out Fighters.
Cage Rage – Funding problems and low attendance.
IFL – Gone
Steele Cage Promotions – Gone
Companies like SmackGirl served such small numbers of the MMA audience that its a miracle they lasted as long as they did. Some of the other examples are a bit over the top. Were 20,000 people really gonna pay to watch Rick Roufus fight in MMA ever? That UFC 91 can’t sell out but De La Hoya/Pacquiao can in 20 minutes with ticket prices three times that of UFC 91 says more about how much attention each grabs when it comes to worldwide audiences.
MMA will be fine. Its been through worse.
Pro - Elite folding is bad for MMA, not EliteXC
Screw EX….
Pro Elite will end up being the worst thing to happen to MMA
Can someone explain why this is bad!
Elite XC was a joke!!
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
It’s bad for fighters. In the long run, it’s good for MMA because the Shaws are a cancer.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, if you don’t know, you are a joke.
Think about all the people and fighters employed for ProElite accross the world.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 20, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Ron Popeil, he wasn't able to sell enough pocket fisherman.
I am a joke because what about all the people that make the pocket fisherman.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
The fighters…sheesh…you understand they employed fighters in Korea, Hawaii, USA, etc.
They have a ton of fighters who are now unemployed and a bunch of prospects that will be spread around everywhere.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 20, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I like you MMASuRreMaCy
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
There is a fundamental assumption in your thinking: that Pro Elite could survive, and that the alternative to Pro Elite failing is Pro Elite succeeding.
I think they were a failed project basically from the start. If you reframe this as Pro Elite failing now and forcing people to go ahead and get new jobs, or failing later when they’re bigger and have a lot more investment and commitment, and have already done more damage to the image of the sport. . . this is a good thing.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 20, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that, YOU know that, but does the average schmuck know that? People already associate EliteXC’s problems with all of MMA, equating it with pro wrestling.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Oct 20, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about your gaffes. If Seth Petruzelli hadn’t said the wrong thing at precisely the wrong time, EXC probably would have gotten bought out.
Lots of interesting things to consider. Gina Carano is a pretty big star, and for someone to lock her up might be enough to help get them some sort of TV deal, albiet not necessarily a CBS level one. There’s been a lot of talk in the last 7-10 days about someone else pulling a network TV deal, of course, and they’ve run many women’s bouts.
I agree that Gina could headline for Strikeforce. Women’s MMA is the only place where someone can challenge the UFC.
I think UFC will pick up Shields, Lawler, and maybe a couple others.
Affliction wants to be bought out in the same way, but it’s not a good fit for a lot of reasons.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields will probably look around a little bit before committing to anyone. For him to rush into the UFC right now puts him square into the welterweight mess, which could get far more twisted should Penn beat GSP in the rematch. I wouldn’t expect him to commit anywhere should he become freed up immediately for sometime. Someone else like Lawler could provide a big boost to their weak middleweight division. And Nick Diaz’s triumphant return to the UFC will be the thing dreams are made of.
I think Diaz will go to Japan. Same thing with Shields. Lawler will sign with the UFC, as well as probably Brett Rogers and Greg Herman, and definitely Feijao.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 20, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick is supposedly still owed money by DREAM, so god only knows what’s up there. Maybe he forgot to set up his offshore account to get the wire due to a cannabis induced haze?
There’s plenty of solid talent in EXC that would make great filler for UFC cards and a couple legitimate prospects. Strikeforce getting on NBC would be yet another GROUNDBREAKING CHANGE as I’m sure we’d all hear, along with numerous quotes from Dana about how Josh Thomson is gay and sucks and how Scott Coker is a moron.
He was always right at least about the Shaws and Jeremy Lappen being morons. I’m pretty sure you could pick an average student in a business school across America to run EliteXC better than they did.
I think Shields will sign with the UFC. He wants 170 competition, and I think he really wants GSP. I think given his championship and the fact that he has 2 wins on national TV can get him a good deal, and Dana White likes him a lot.
Shields/GSP and Silva/Lawler would be real fun fights next year just to shake things up.
I agree that lots of guys could go into the UFC and make things entertaining. Really, I believe they should jump on this opportunity, scrap UK vs. US TUF, and do a women’s TUF with Gina as a coach.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that Dana White likes him. He was offered a lousy contract previously (something he’s admitted) and before his run in 2007-2008 was thought of as a boring fighter by virtually everyone. Shields entering the UFC would probably jet straight to the top of contenders for GSP should George beat Penn, but none of that is guaranteed. Shields might very well get stuck fighting prospects and contenders for 2 years until things straighten themselves out.
The problem with women’s fighting is the same one 125lb MMA has: no talent base. Its not like they can just run “women’s fighting”, they gotta have weight classes.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
See, I think they can just have a single weight class of women at 140 or so and just let everyone else who wants to be in the UFC come up or go down to it. I hardly think they need a bunch of weight classes.
I heard Dana on the radio just two days ago saying very complimentary things about Jake, saying he should have been the star and not Kimbo, and that he feels bad for Gina and Jake.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP would Slaughter Shields
That black guy from the UK was laughing at his elbows to the face. I mean he just smiled and waved and then took an elbow and then smiled again!
Gay
Let’s not use “gay” as a perjorative, and I don’t think Dana has ever done so either.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 20, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields has been saying for a while that he wants to fight top guys and that he was going to move to 185 do to a lack of depth within the 170 EliteXC div. Why wouldn’t he want to sign with UFC?
The same reason as before: Money. Its not as if he hasn’t gotten contract offers in the past, its just that he could get more money elsewhere and chose the more money. If you look at it from that perspective, he made a great choice: He’s been seen by more people than virtually everyone competing in the welterweight division of the UFC and made more money than virtually everyone competing in the welterweight division sans maybe 2-3 folks. Had he signed a 20/20 deal with the UFC like he was offered, he’d have gotten Karo’ed.
It was a good deal then, and he can pit UFC and Affliction against each other for his talents, but who is going to pay him now? The UFC will pay him a lot more now than before because he’s had a bunch of fights with big audiences…though admittedly he didn’t really get himself over as much of a star. I think he can make much better money now and come in with stronger sponsorship deals.
I think he is in a position as champion to try to sign a contract where he needs one win over a top guy at 170 to get a title shot.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We assume the UFC will pay his lots and lots more. If Affliction offers him a guaranteed $100,000 (or more), I doubt UFC would match that. He might get decent numbers from K-1 or Sengoku as well, and then there’s the overriding question of what Strikeforce’s future is. Hell, what is Showtime’s future in this? Will they look for a new promotional partner to try and fill some of the dates they just lost for Q4 2008/Q1 2009?
Shields will likely (and should) go where the money is. If you’re gonna risk a loss, risk it for the most you can get.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s all true, he also needs to go where the sponsorship money is (see: not Affliction).
I wonder what Affliction is going to offer considering they have nothing at 170 and they’re in serious money trouble as it is.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
When was this offered made and where are you getting your details? Was this quite some time ago? I don’t recall hearing about it.
Jake was offered some deals following his performance in the ROTR tourney a couple years ago and they were significantly smaller than what he was getting fighting as an independent. He was in the same sort of cart as Matt Lindland, who’s best years financially as a fighter came after he left the UFC.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The real problem for Jake in the UFC is that he isn’t going to beat GSP, so it would be easy to get lost in the mix after he loses. Still, I think he’d do quite well there now, especially since he’d be able to headline a Champion vs. Champion PPV against one of their top draws.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields has as good a chance as anyone in the division right now, and while that’s only incrementally better than “no chance”, its still a chance. The problem with “Champion vs. Champion” is that the earliest that fight could happen is probably next April/May. You’re looking at 8 months or so for Shields to sit around. I suppose he could go beat Diego Sanchez or something in the meantime.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So, I know this is all hypothetical, but if I was Shields’ manager I’d want to fight the Hughes/Serra winner in the meantime. He’d probably beat either at this point and make a name for himself. Who knows, GSP/Shields as TUF coaches for the second half of 2009 isn’t impossible.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm no so sure...
The illusion of a shallow talent pool makes certain fighters look better than they actually are.
I’m pretty sure Shields beating the WEC welterweight champ and Yushin Okami weren’t illusions.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields is not good enough to beat the elite of the UFC. I love shields, I think he has great style, but he would get destroyed by someone like Sanchez. I mean destroyed! His career might even have a hard time recovering. He should get better before he comes to the UFC and gets fed to the wolves.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Destroyed by Sanchez is a bit much. It’s not like he doesn’t spar and train with guys like Fitch who are elite in the UFC. Reports out of the camp were very good for Jake too. He’d have a very close fight with Sanchez.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Sheilds the guy who fought Daley?
Less than impressive against a guy who is less than impressive. Keep in mind that Shields will be fighting a very game grappler in Diego (hypothetically of course). Remember when Koschek shot in on Diego, and diego immediately took his back. Shields would get beat down in dramatic fashion.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
And Sanchez is the guy who fought Alessio. Newsflash: Sanchez and grapplers at a B to C class typically are very close fights. Sanchez against grapplers that have superior pedigrees and size to him beat him.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Koscheck isn't a BJJ blackbelt
And neither is Diego.
did you watch the daley fight....
It looked like he was practicing an arm bar for the first time in a second rate gym.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
You realize Daley is extremely strong and trained for that. You don’t just take armbar’s from people, they give them to you. If it looks sloppy that’s because that is how it works in real life.
When was the last time you’ve seen ANY MMA fighter snag an armbar off the mount from someone who wasn’t a total newbie?
dude...
all the time. Shields ain’t that great as a BJJ player. He is primarily a wrestler.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
He sucks so bad, he’s a Cesar Gracie Black Belt, won Grappler’s Quest three times, Pan-Ams, etc. Dude, seriously, stop.
by D.Capitated on Oct 21, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant in MMA.
As you know wrestling is essential in BJJ competition, it is largely about positional improvement, etc.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
You have got to be kidding me.
That’s like saying Karo’s judo sucks because he doesn’t land in side control every time he hits a throw.
I don’t believe that Shields is to BJJ what Karo is to Judo. Do you? And I didn’t say that his BJJ sucks. All I said was that his Wrestling is his primarly weapon. Which is why he ain’t exactly a submision machine, he’s a grinder who wins by decision.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Why not? They are both accomplished in their respective sports and both have shitty standup. Karo is about as much of a finisher as Jake is.
The point I am getting at is just because his technique isn’t picture perfect doesn’t mean his skills are crap.
When it comes to Judo in MMA — Karo is the best.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Even better because he looks like a beginner when he doesn’t hit the picture perfect uchi mata’s on the Josh Burkman’s and Diego Sanchez’s of the world right?
I mean they don’t even train Judo like he does. You know what I mean?
Guys above shields:
Palhares, Marquardt, Nogueira, Lutter, Mir, Diaz, Penn, Hazelet
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Different argument.
I’m not arguing Jake’s ranking. It’s your appraisal of BJJ. Want some more examples? In Penn/Pulver 2, Penn couldn’t finish his armbar attempt on a weaker Jens Pulver. Pulver admits he doesn’t know what he is doing down there. What’s up with that? Does he suck?
I hate to break this to you, but like, Diego Sanchez ain’t that good. A large factor in his success was excellent matchmaking. The dudes that beat him or made him struggle are guys who fight like Shields. Difference is, Shields is probably better all around than they were.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually no...
Guys that made him struggle were guys like Kos. Quick agile wrestlers who can keep their distance. Shields cannot out strike Diego, and when he goes in, he will get mauled.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Shields is a two time All American freestyle wrestler in addition to his vaunted BJJ tournament success. You do know that, right?
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I am involved in an arguement with Jake's #1 fan -- oh shit!
If that was Diego Sanchez fighting him instead of Paul Daley, he might not have been able to walk out of the cage. The way he shot in for that take down, the way he kept boching the arm bar even against a guy who had NO idea what to do on the ground. He was seriously struggling against a pure stand up fighter.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Oh lord. Since when has Diego actually been some sort of merciless killer? Didn’t that meme die when he feared Josh Koscheck’s standup to such an extent that he did nothing for 15 minutes? He was in two tossups with Karo and Nick Diaz, proved his wrestling was anything but elite against Alessio, etc etc etc.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I just watched his best win — against okami. And I have to say, he seriously needs to work on his stand up. If he comes to the UFC he’s gonna be in contention for most boring fighter, right up there with Sherk and Guida. I thought his fight with Daley was a fluke, but his fight with okami looked the same.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
And yet, here is the key difference: Okami is an immense wrestler at 185. He’d make mince meat of Sanchez (who probably should have moved to lightweight a year or so ago). Shields completely controlled him. Being exciting and being good aren’t necessarily the same thing.
In any case, Shields looked plenty good against most of the opponents he’s fought over the course of 2007 and 2008. I’m just wondering how it is you hadn’t watched anything from the ROTR tournament given who was in it.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call Okami a wrestler...
He’s a grappler which is why he neutralized everything Shields threw at him. It was like Guida vs. Danzig — Guida won but I’d rather watch Danzig fight. Diego’s style is more about counter fighting which is why he might lose to Okami, but that style is perfect for shields.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Okami has never won with a submission hold in his entire career. The reason people hate him is because he’s a lay and pray wrestler.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He beat Brian Foster with an arm triangle. Most of his wins have come by decision. He has pretty good striking.
Shields looked like he was holding on for dear life when he fought okami
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Oops, one submission win out of 22. I dunno about you, but I’ve seen a lot of Okami’s fights. His whole game isn’t submissions, its takedowns and control. He’s primarily a wrestler, and his striking ain’t all that great.
I’m sure Shields was holding on for dear life. Okami is naturally almost a light heavyweight.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
On a personal note...
D.Capitated is one of my very favorite bloggers on this site. I’m tapping out of this one… you win.
If shields would sign with the UFC, this entire discusion would be accademic.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Shields is a good peep, you just can’t say Diego had the benefit of excellent matchmaking when Shields has had questionable competition. Can’t have your cake and eat it to. Daley made Shields look inept on his feet and from the mount.
Shields would definitely be competitive in the UFC and likely beat most guys he came up against. But he’d be some pretty deep waters against the likes of GSP, Fitch, Kos and Alves. I suspect Diego would give him a good fight too.
Ok you got me - I am speaking in hyperbole.
But my point is simply that I don’t think he can beat Diego. And in the current UFC WW division, that means you probably should explore other options before coming to the UFC.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
Shields fought essentially the best competition available to him, whereas Sanchez was handfed fighters like Brian Gassaway to prevent him from losing his undefeated record before it was at least a PPV co-main (even then, it took some luck to prevent that). Its not as if no one had heard of Condit or Okami beforehand. The difference is the platform they work on now.
by D.Capitated on Oct 20, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I won’t argue with you too much, I’m not a fan of Diego and I think if Shields would beat anyone at the top of the UFC WW division, it would be Diego. Hell, I think Hazelett would give Shields a tougher fight than Diego would.
My point is, is that neither have fought top tier competition. The difference is, it was Shield’s decision to fight where he did. I give him credit for saying he wants to fight top guys now, so let’s see him put his money where his mouth is.
Women’s MMA is the only place where someone can challenge the UFC.
Man. Trump has got to realize that a female “Fighters Trapped In a House with Alcohol” is ratings gold. Whether you draw in sports/MMA fans, guys who just want to see the ladies, guys who want to watch with their ladies, or people who just want lots of drama and tension, this is gold.
After CBS/EliteXC this’ll be the only way to get more MMA on the networks or even cable networks.
Seth Petruzelli knocks out Kimbo, EliteXC
Somewhere, Dana White is laughing his ass off. A TUF also-ran destroys his chief rival with one punch and some loose lips.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 20, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Man, Petruzelli hit Kimbo soooo hard…
How hard did he hit him?
He hit him so hard that he knocked the whole company out!
cue laugh track
by mythbuster on Oct 21, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They just started their investigation.
I highly doubt that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 20, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good call...
But we are all gonna realize that he is not as good as we want him to be.
I told you I can't build your candy house! It will fall apart, the sun will melt the candy, it won't work!
ShoXC is part of ProElite, I believe, so everything will be gone.
KOTC, Spirit MC, ROTR, ICON, EliteXC, ShoXC, etc.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 20, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Cage Rage too...
But i doubt all these organizations will fold..
I bet several of the small organizations will buy themselves back.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 20, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Trebilcock is probably laughing his ass off. He sold his company for a couple million dollars and will probably get it back and all the additional assets EXC put into it in terms of video licensing and library for .25 on the dollar.
Yeah, which will please me no end. Pro Elite failing and putting promotions back in the hands of capable people will do the minor leagues a world of good.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 20, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. KOTC shows were the basis of most of the ShoXC cards, and virtually all of them were somewhere between good and great. I wonder if Showtime will still show interest in televising some of his higher level events?
Additionally, between this and the apparent collapse of Fight Network, maybe this means we will be rid of Ranallo forever. That would be the best thing to come out of this.
In a related story
UFC just announced that PPV’s are raising to 65$. And Amir Sodallah/Matt Arroyo are headlining the UFC 93.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
I seem to recall you being a UFC hater, but thats still funny.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 20, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a UFC hater
I buy almost every PPV and have get togethers at my house. I just liked the free content and multiple shows that multipule competing organizations provide me. I don’t trust the UFC to give me anything for free, if they don’t have to.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Sorry, I probably mixed you up with somebody else who came on bashing the UFC a couple weeks back. My bad.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 20, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am critical of the UFC. Only because I love MMA and they don’t always seem to do right by it. For all their faults (of which there were many). EXC broadcast every show they had on non PPV television, and had lots of compelling fighters. I worry if the UFC will employ a middle class of fighters if they no longer feel the need to? Competition is a proven good for the consumer in any industry. Its science.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Only certain kinds of competition are good for an industry. To give the most basic example, if you have a Burger King in an area, and it’s the only burger place, it would usually be good for a new one to come in. If the burger place serves meat with mad cow and someone finds a finger in the drink it was not good for the consumer.
EliteXC was a horribly run organization. They lost that much money because they were run by idiots. Consumers benefit from creative destruction, it just may take a year or two.
by Michael Rome on Oct 20, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed on being poorly run
I just hope that someone steps up and fills the void created by EXC’s departure. MMA gained alot of momentum this year. It would be ashame if it went away because the top promotion got greedy and killed all their competators. The rumblings on “inside mma” was that a “mystery organization” filed the complaint to have EXC investigated. UFC on free TV ain’t happening anytime soon. No there isnt even counterprogramming to look forward to.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Florida said
that no complaint had been filed, that they only started the investigation because of the outcry.
HAHA nice example ... so true ...
EliteXC is the Mad Cow of MMA. Which makes Affliction … the hoof in mouth?
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Oct 20, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That statement totally ignores the reality of the situation.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 20, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Will the organization still hold the November card? Because I really wanted to see several of those fights.
It doesn’t look like it, which is the shitty part.
No Gina vs Cyborg either.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Oct 20, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure SOMEBODY will pick up Gina and Cyborg. The UFC ought to do TUF 10 with women. Give Gina and somebody hot and talented some intro fights in the spring, then have them coach.
by Michaelthebox on Oct 20, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If they put 16 female fighters in the same house...
somebody’s gonna die.
sorry bro,
how about The Ultimate JELLO Fighter, where all the losers have to lick the winners until they’re clean. Better?
This is why they should have done Gina vs. Cyborg at the last Saturday Night Fights
EliteXC kept holding its aces for a card that never came.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
This could be a good oportunity to try and sign alot of fighters to WEC and build it up as big as the ufc. Especialy since it was a possibility of WEC having a ppv. Maybe keep the light heavy weight and middleweight division. It may sound dumb but I wouldnt mind seeing it.
1) Forget women’s mma. I am a supporter, but unfortunately, outside of Gina, there is very little interest in it. Have a superfight somewhere like Affliction once in awhile and other than that, let them headline regional shows.
2) EXC folding is no worse for mma than EXC being in business.
3) UFC is not going to go out and overpay for ANY of these guys. They will offer some moderate money and stability. If they want big money, they can sign with Affliction and be free agents again in 6 months.
4) This is a great time to cancel the WEC weight class merger and actually sign some decent guys, like Feijao and Diaz. They may not be UFC material at this moment, but they are solid fighters.
5) As much as I am for competition by promotions, it has become clear since pride died, that none can compete with the UFC. Screw it, let’s just get all the best fighters in one promotion and see all the fights we really want to see.
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Additionally, this will put some quality fighters out there for someone like Strikeforce to use in some bigger shows.
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Finally Elitexc is done
I didn’t know it was going to happen this quick but damn i’m so happy because Elitexc was a joke to MMA. I’m so happy too because I’m thinking of all the fighters that Zuffa could sign like jake shields, wilson reis, lawlor, Eddie Alvarez,Rafael Feijao, Paul Daley,Cyrille Diabate and even kimbo for one fight so he can get demolished by a guy like shane carwin. I never ever liked the shaws or jeremy lappen, so screw them guys. I’m a big UFC fan so i’m so happy right now, damn i’m happy.
My dream scenario....
Nick Diaz, Eddie Alvarez, and Robbie Lawler straight to the UFC.
Jake Shields goes to the WEC to fight Carlos Condit….winner goes to the UFC.
Kimbo goes on The Ultimate Fighter. (Never gonna happen though. Without a doubt, Kimbo is now heading over to Japan where he can make a ton of money as the next Bob Sapp.)
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