UFC 89 Complete Results, Bonuses and Payouts, Bisping vs Leben, Jardine vs Vera, Cane vs Soukodjou
by Kid Nate on Oct 19, 2008 7:18 AM EDT
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Micheal Bisping d. Chris Leben (Unanimous Decision)
Keith Jardine d. Brandon Vera (Split Decision)
Luis Cane d. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (TKO 4:15 2nd Round)
Chris Lytle d. Paul Taylor (Unanimous Decision)
Marcus Davis d. Paul Kelly (Submission 2:16 2nd Round)
Dan Hardy d. Akihiro Gono (Split Decision)
Shane Carwin d. Neil Wain (TKO 1:31 1st Round)
David Bielkheden d. Jess Liaudin (Unanimous Decision)
Terry Etim d. Sam Stout(Unanimous Decision)
Jim Miller d. David Baron (Submission 3:19 3rd Round)
Per Eklund d. Samy Schiavo (Submission 1:47 3rd Round)
BONUSES -- $40,000 Each
Knockout of the Night — Luis Cane
Submission of the Night – Jim Miller
Fight of the Night — Chris Lytle vs. Paul Taylor
Notes about the event
Decisions Decisions At least Bisping over Leben was a clear cut choice, the inconclusive nature of the Jardine/Vera fight left me hanging as a fan, disappointed by both fighters performances. Nevertheless, its not a prime UFC when the two headlining fights go to the judges (unless its a total war ala Liddell/Silva).
So much for Sokoudjou Or "SokoIdontusemyjudo" as he's been named by BloodyElbow poster KneesnBows. He threw everything he had at Luis Cane, landing some very hard shots but hardly managed to back Cane up. I'd say the Sokoudjou hype train has left the station. IMO he needs to find a new camp, one that will help him apply his judo skills to MMA. His brawling style would be so much more effective if opponents had to be worried about getting thrown too. Maybe we should take up a collection and buy Sok a copy of Karo Parisyan's Judo for Mixed Martial Arts.
Cane let me down too I was hoping for some more outrageously unsportsmanlike antics from Cane. The guy had been building a reputation as a true heel, an increasing rarity in the sport but now I guess he wants to be a nice guy like everyone else. Either that or he genuinely respects Sokoudjou in a way he didn't respect Lambert or Irvin.
Greg Jackson strikes again From my vantage point it looked like Greg Jackson put together a great game plan for Jardine. Taking a page out of GSP's book (or Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva), Jardine surprised Vera with an early take down that seemed to take Vera out of his game. This was the second time in two weeks that Jackson has come out ahead of come at Team Lloyd Irvin with a clever and unexpected game plan. This time his fighter did enough to convince two judges, unlike the UWC where Irvin's man convinced two of his home town judges.
Lytle vs Davis, Battle of the UFC Gatekeepers Talk about a fight that needs to happen. Paul Taylor hung much tougher against Lytle than Kelly did against Davis, but I still find a Lytle/Davis matchup intriguing. The winner could get one last shot at contention while the loser can stick around beating UK fighters as long as he wants.
Shane Carwin, Jim Miller rumbing from the undercard In an undercard otherwise stuffed with euro-fighters who won't be fighting top competition anytime soon, heavyweight Shane Carwin and lightweight Jim Miller impressed. Carwin destroyed Brit brawler Neil Wain and IFL vet Jim Miller beat the internationally known David Baron what sounds like a tough match. I expect both of these guys to be on contender tracks in 2009.
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Maybe I was rooting for Leben, but I didn’t think the decision was THAT clear cut. Sure, his face was cut up, but he was the aggressor and I thought he landed harder shots to the dome. Either way, total class at the finish.
Look at their faces. It’s clear cut. Having said that, I have to say I was disappointed.
I’ve been big on Bisping. However, outpointing strategies may work for a win but it doesn’t work to get fans excited. This is another case where a fighter really loses even if when he wins. My opinion of Bisping went way down because he basically used his reach advantage to win the fight. Very lame, Bisping.
I agree
I been talking up Bisping the whole time before the fight, and while I"m glad he won I, too, was pretty disappointed in the way he won. If I wanted to watch Point-Punching, I’d watch boxing.
Same goes for Jardine-Vera, two guys so afraid to get KO that they forgot they were supposed to try to hit each other.
He beat a striker by outstriking him.
This “you have to go balls out” to get any respect thing is kind of odd. It is also only the second time that Bisping has won by decision if I remember correctly so it isn’t like this is a constant thing with him.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 19, 2008 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody said he has to go balls out. However, how many combos did he throw in the fight? It was basically jab, jab, jab. If Leben didn’t try to attack, the fight would’ve been two guys backing up.
Fear dictated that fight.
If you’re not going “jab, jab, jab” against a guy like Leben you’re in trouble. It was a smart and technically solid fight by Bisping, though, granted, not very spectacular.
Perhaps it’s Lebens fault that this fight was boring? His style forcing you to fight Machida-style or die. Don’t tell me “AS could do it” – probably so could He-Man, but that’s not the point.
by ununkvadrium on Oct 19, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
FTR – I actually didn’t find the fight boring at all.
by ununkvadrium on Oct 19, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
cuts don't always tell the story
I’m sure I’m biased, because was cheering for Leben. So, I tried to look past the bloody nose and cut under his eye (which isn’t how you judge a fight, anyhow). The guy never seemed hurt or very wobbly. The shots he took weren’t very hard. Bisping didn’t seem to be trying to finish. I think any Leben fan knew he wouldn’t win a decision, so that’s how it played out: chase the hometown hero around the ring. Given that context, Bisping counterstruck well and avoided getting KO’d. But, it just wasn’t convincing… from either of them. Leben was more controlled, but not so dynamic and his strikes were sluggish. Bisping should have taken him apart more thoroughly than he did. I’m looking forward to the FightMetric.com breakdown of the Lytle, Jardine, and Bisping wins.
by Jaydoggydog on Oct 19, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It WAS convincing
And I wanted Leben to win too, but it wasn’t spectacular (Bisping’s win). The thing about Leben was that so very few of his shots were clean, where Bisping was landing clean stuff from midway through the first through the end of the fight. Way too many clean shots to ignore. I only counted a couple of clean Leben shots.
Egadz I really like Leben though. I hope he keeps improving.
Huh?
I picked Leben to win and I wanted Leben to win but he got his a$$ kicked. Bisping looked really good. He couldn’t take Leben down for a pounding like I thought but he didn’t need to. J Rogan kept talking about how calm Leben looked and he was right. Leben calmly got dismantled on his feet. Bisping had a good stand-up game plan (getting in for some strikes and then out before being countered) and he worked it to perfection. Please note that I am not a fan of Bisping but fact is fact and he kicked Leben’s a$$.
On a side note: Why is J. Rogan interviewing the losing fighter in the ring after interviewing the winner? Leben said he wanted to KO Bisping but he was moving around too much? LMAO! Unfortunately Leben you were to predictable and slow. The Losing fighter should just shake his opponents hand and leave the ring.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
how dare he!
Using footwork in a fight rather than just standing flat footed and trading?! What a chickenshit!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 19, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what is this "true heel" BS
You want to see unsportsmanlike antics? Plz to be going back to watching wrestling, because we don’t need that in MMA.
well Cain hasn’t been the nicest guy thus far and I think he’s just suggesting that Cain be at least consistent more than anything. MMA can use more people who aren’t afraid to speak their mind even if they say stuff that ruffles feathers. For me Cain thus far was starting to fill that role but yesterday he decided he was going to be congenial
I don't think there is anything wrong...
with personality being shown in MMA…as long as it is the real personality of said individual. Pretending that everyone involved in the sport is all about handshakes and post-fight hugs and that no one is an asshole is unrealistic. Every sport has it’s personalities that people love/hate/love to hate. To somehow pretend that our sport is so pure that only the best individuals in the world are allowed is unrealistic.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 19, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Heels are needed...
Do people really think Dana White kept Junie Brown for his skills alone? He’s compelling television. People watch Kos because he’s good and they want him to get a beating and humbled. The same goes for Tito and his big head. Anyone wonder why Tito’s doll is the only one with a gorilla expression?
Vinny Magalhaes. That guy is a freaking ‘Brazilian Psycho’. I hope he gets the contract.
by ununkvadrium on Oct 19, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
not unsportsmanlike per se
but a little something to piss off the crowd now and then is cool with me. He pissed me off after his first two fights in the UFC, especially with his comments after being DQ’d against Irvin.
That face he made when he was mugging to the camera like “look, not a mark on me” was pretty douchey. I don’t think we have to worry about his attitude going anywhere, especially if he keeps moving up the ranks.
by Chris Nelson on Oct 19, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
im still on the Soukodjou hype train
Guy has a lot of skill and power. He needs to really develop his skills as well as apply his base to MMA. You cant be a former D-1 wrestler and come out trying to look like a pro Muay thai fighter. That would only lead to losses. Come on Soko, you’re a 3rd degree BB in judo. USE IT. With that said I think his camp may be whats wrong right now. If I remember correctly Henderson gassed bad against Silva a while back. And that camp isnt know for their striking rather they are known for their wild brawling and wrestling.
Plus the guy is relatively new to MMA and he’s only lost to opponents who are major contenders(sans Texiera). I really want to see his skills develop and I want to see how he takes this loss.
oh I'm definitely not writing him off
but he’s no longer a budding powerhouse in the division, rather he’s an up and comer with some holes in his game he needs to fill in.
He really does need to work his judo into his mma game.
Team Quest is notorious for not really using their wrestling in their fights. Look at the difference between (former TQ co-founder) Randy Couture’s fights and Dan Henderson’s. Couture has integrated a very nice boxing game seamlessly with his wrestling where Dan engages in wild brawls and frequently ends up on his back. Henderson is a good enough athlete to overcome that sloppyness but Sokoudjou needs to be picking up some discipline and strategy from his homecamp.
The wheels have come off the train...
I didn’t care that he lost the fight. I cared that he gassed after he blew his wad in the first round. How many times have we watch a guy dominate early just to gas out and gets KOed? Sok should join up with Lutter and figure out how to fight properly.
Soku is done
the ufc would have to hand him a cherry for him to get a win. He can’t beat a grappler and he can’t beat a striker.
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Good night for Greg Jackson
I don’t think Jackson came out ahead two weeks ago because Mike Easton won the fight. I do believe Dodson should have won though. I guess that counts for something.
by zeroword on Oct 19, 2008 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bisping-While I have been somewhat skeptical of his title shot worthiness, and probably was pulling for Leben, he fought the smart fight. Leben’s only real chance was to land a big shot, which Bisping avoided for the most part. I think the reach and quickness had everything to do with this win. The one thing i took from this fight, was, Silva would absolutely destroy Bisping. I did like Bispings post fight comments and his acknowledgment that he wasn’t ready for a shot just yet, to bad all the internet fans cannot be so realistic. I also feel that he is in a huge mix of fighters at 185 and does not stand out amongst them. That isn’t a big knock on him, there are some good fighters there, but I donlt think he would fare well against…Hendo, franklin, Marquardt, Almeida, Okami, Maia and such. of course, this now the kind of fight I expect to see him get, and anything else would be disappointing, imo.
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Yeah.
I think Leben is kind of mid-tier. Facing any of the guys you mentioned would certainly provide a clearer picture of Bisping’s place at middleweight. I don’t think we’re any closer to having a real contender for the Spider in the UFC. Not that any of these guys plus Cote can’t beat him. It just seems highly unlikely given Silva’s performances in the UFC.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 19, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on
Before the fight people were saying, “Hey, don’t say anything good about Bisping, he hasn’t fought anyone real yet. If he beats Leben I’ll consider him a real fighter.” So he dominates Leben and now it’s, “Leben isn’t all that good anyway. He has to fight someone else before I consider him a real fighter.”
Srsly, there is no one who can conceivably beat Silva, but give Bisping the credit he earned last night.
by mythbuster on Oct 19, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude.
I didn’t mean to diminish Bisping’s accomplishment. I’m sorry if I did. I don’t think that anyone puts Leben in the same category as Marquardt, Franklin, Henderson, etc. The guy’s a really good fighter, no doubt. Is he a legit contender? I’d like to see how he does against this other group of guys. That’s all I’m saying.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 19, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never heard anyone say that beating Leben would make Bisping or any other fighter a top contender, lol. If you go back, you will see that I myself said, beat leben (done) and beat a top 10 (like any of the guys I listed) and I would support Bisping for a title shot.
imo, stepping into that cage, makes him a real fighter. And he is well on the way to making himself a top contender, just not quite yet, much like he said himself.
http://eliotmarshall.com/
I have never heard anyone say that beating Leben would make Bisping or any other fighter a top contender, lol.
ok, I actually typed out quite a bit here, but as pondered whether to press ‘POST’, I decided I’d be better off just asking to you re-read my comment, and then see if your reply really makes any sense because it seems like you are agreeing with me, but creating words that don’t exist for the sake of arguing.
Thanks.
I’m not sure if we agree or not. Leben was a nice win, but not a defining one. In other words, Bisping still has more to prove.
As for arguing, I think if you look at my history, I am rarely argumentative. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and have been swayed many times to agree with people that I may not have originally.
As for your comment,, it seems you are calling out the people that thought beating Leben would prove something and now, say it proves nothing. I simply stated that i wasn;t one of those people, that he would need to beat Leben and then a top 10.
If I misconstrued it, I apologize.
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Did the Carwin fight make the broadcast?
It was on the UK show in between the main events but I heard it wasn’t on the Spike broadcast. You’d think the UFC would be making more of an effort to push him.
That must be Carwin in your little pic thingy there
I caught it on the interwebs before it was pulled. Wild swings, takedown, side, mount, and Joe Rogan saying ‘you can feel those shots here in the booth’.
Shane Carwin is a Bad. Mother. Fucker.
by Derek Suboticki on Oct 19, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see him fight someone decent. Then we’ll see how good he really is. He’s been steam rolling through C level and below fighters.
No kidding
How many times do we have to watch this guy finish fights in the first 2 minutes? Fer cry’in out loud, let’s watch him fight some talent! There must be someone…?
No.
It was all about Saw V, or some shit. I’m guessing the promos sucked up the extra time for the Carwin fight.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 19, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw V and Gears of War II
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by Brent Brookhouse on Oct 19, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't real impressed with cane.
any of the top tier at 205 would take him out.
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